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I wonder if Musharaf has a secret deal w/ this new military guy to run things behind the scenes like what Putin will do.

I think Musharaf is a pretty smart guy and he won't let Bhutto/Nawaz Shariif run Pakistan to the ground.

lucky for pakistan they have a hard and immovable patriotic rock that stands in the way of the destruction of the country.
that is the pakistani army.

get rid of the army and pakistan will become as bad as afghanistan.

afghanistan was more stable and politically liberal than pakistan in the 70's.
the soviets intervened and created todays afghanistan.

Foreign interferance is the cause of most of the problems in the muslim world.

"Foreign interferance is the cause of most of the problems in the muslim world."

Agreed. Ofcourse also exploiting the natural divisions that existed.

Democracy can be a form of that. Disrupt the internal workings of a country every so often years.

Not saying democracy shouldn't be encouraged but it's definitely been used as a leverage tool.

Think of Turkey & Pakistan and how many times democracy was paused to stabilize the country.

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]I wonder if Musharaf has a secret deal w/ this new military guy to run things behind the scenes like what Putin will do.

I think Musharaf is a pretty smart guy and he won't let Bhutto/Nawaz Shariif run Pakistan to the ground.[/quote]

Actually so far, the guy has fired most of mushy's peopel and is pursuing a whole different strategy. Mushy is in the risk of being controlled by the other guy and not the other way around. also, Kiyani was appointed b/c he was the highest ranking official in the military.

"democracy" in pakistan will make it more easier for the west to have control over pakistan.

they have little influence over the army,as they will work with the west or anyone if it is in the interest of the state.

people like bhutto and sharif will work with anyone if it is in thier personal interest.

musharaf stepped down becuase the army told him to, not becuase he wanted to.

him stepping down takes the heat off the army and allows them to control the state behind the scenes, without drawing too much attention to them..

and pacifies the punjabis with a top post.

Yeah all the Pakistanis I've talked to have told me that, secular or religious they seem to think Bhutto and Nawaz Shariif are bad for the country and ironically the economy and other sectors have improved under Musharaf's stability.


Twisted,

Do you think that's what we're expected to think? Musharraf is himself a product of the military and I think loyalties would be pretty hard to split.

Just b/c you take off your uniform doesn't mean you turn your back on a lifetime of military service and acquaintances.

I think the army is professional ethnic group in and of itself. I went to school w/ some Punjabis whose fathers had very important positions in the military and I think the military and Musharraf have the same vision for the country.


It's not like Somalia where generals who are Punjabi would support Nawaz Shariif simply b/c of his ethnicity.........they were the ones that probably stormed Shariif's compound when he was President.

[quote="Gedo_Boy"]Yeah all the Pakistanis I've talked to have told me that, secular or religious they seem to think Bhutto and Nawaz Shariif are bad for the country and ironically the economy and other sectors have improved under Musharaf's stability.


Twisted,

Do you think that's what we're expected to think? Musharraf is himself a product of the military and I think loyalties would be pretty hard to split.

Just b/c you take off your uniform doesn't mean you turn your back on a lifetime of military service and acquaintances.

I think the army is professional ethnic group in and of itself. I went to school w/ some Punjabis whose fathers had very important positions in the military and I think the military and Musharraf have the same vision for the country.


It's not like Somalia where generals who are Punjabi would support Nawaz Shariif simply b/c of his ethnicity.........they were the ones that probably stormed Shariif's compound when he was President.[/quote]

Exactly! This is what i am trying to say.