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Somali4Life gave out fatwa's against Majeerteen, said Abu Mansoor and Hassan Turki's blood was hallal to spill but praiseed. He calls Darood munafiqs. The guy gets overboard with his qabiil and Islam mixing.

[quote="Advocatar"]in my eyes, al-shabaab/TFG/Ethiopia are the same shid 2 me.....[/quote]

What's your alternative?

[quote="Saracen"][quote="Advocatar"]in my eyes, al-shabaab/TFG/Ethiopia are the same shid 2 me.....[/quote]

What's your alternative?[/quote]

there is no alternative

every somali group/organization can not be trusted because they never show results and none have vision

the good thing w/ shabab is atleast they fight the ethiopians

the TFG is recognized and ish, but has no power and no structure, certainly no unifying actors, so it is useless

[quote="FAH1223"]every somali group/organization can not be trusted because they never show results and none have vision[/quote]

What do you mean by "they never show results"?

[quote="Saracen"][quote="FAH1223"]every somali group/organization can not be trusted because they never show results and none have vision[/quote]

What do you mean by "they never show results"?[/quote]

no such thing as reconciliation, reconstruction, PROGRESS

more fights, more poverty, more disease

i blame everyone

[quote="Koronto91"]My advice to men like Abu Mansur is to not be a blabber mouth and instead focus on improving their relationship with Sh. Shariif and the others. I can't believe he actually has the audacity to talk about Sh. Shariif being away from battle in December 2006 when he himself was in Saudi Arabia. This is not the time to point fingers and call more knowledgeable men "Cilmaaniyiin" which is essentially calling another Muslim a Murtad. If Sh. Shariif is a Murtad, what does that make Abu Mansur?[/quote]


Well said..

[quote="FAH1223"]no such thing as reconciliation, reconstruction, PROGRESS

more fights, more poverty, more disease

i blame everyone[/quote]

There should be reconciliation between freedom fighters and occupiers/collaborators? How can there be reconstruction/progress where there's insecurity and armed/military conflict? You say you blame everyone; is that including America?

FAH1223,

The Islamic Courts Union made a lot of progress:

-They removed all 71 Isbaarooyin from Banadir.
-They provided security to all of the residents of their territories.
-They elected a committee that foresaw the returning of looted properties to their rightful owners.
-They shut down pornographic cinemas.
-They re-opened the sea port and air port.
-They reconstructed Masjid Sh. Ali Sufi, Isbaheysiga & Arbaca Rukun.
-They cleaned up the streets from garbage & debris.
-They opened all of Mogadishu's main roads.
-They raised $1.2 million for flood victims of 2006.
-They banned charcoal trade.
-They banned Khat.
-They funded many orphanages and Islamic madrasahs.

I know all of this firsthand, because I went back to Mogadishu in June 2006 and saw all of their work, I don't need to read half-baked stories from Reuters or the AP that they were "extreme" or "the new Taliban."

What has the "TFG" done? Where did all the international donor money go? What ministiries have they re-opened? What security have they provided? Why should anyone support them?

The ICU made many efforts to reconcile with the "TFG", they went to Khartum, Djibouti, Libya, Saudi Arabia to meet with "TFG" officials, but how can you reconcile with someone who doesn't call the shots? Ethiopia & America called all the shots, not any "TFG" official, so it was futile from day one.

[quote="Koronto91"]FAH1223,

The Islamic Courts Union made a lot of progress:

-They removed all 71 Isbaarooyin from Banadir.
-They provided security to all of the residents of their territories.
-They elected a committee that foresaw the returning of looted properties to their rightful owners.
-They shut down pornographic cinemas.
-They re-opened the sea port and air port.
-They reconstructed Masjid Sh. Ali Sufi, Isbaheysiga & Arbaca Rukun.
-They cleaned up the streets from garbage & debris.
-They opened all of Mogadishu's main roads.
-They raised $1.2 million for flood victims of 2006.
-They banned charcoal trade.
-They banned Khat.
-They funded many orphanages and Islamic madrasahs.

I know all of this firsthand, because I went back to Mogadishu in June 2006 and saw all of their work, I don't need to read half-baked stories from Reuters or the AP that they were "extreme" or "the new Taliban."

What has the "TFG" done? Where did all the international donor money go? What ministiries have they re-opened? What security have they provided? Why should anyone support them?

The ICU made many efforts to reconcile with the "TFG", they went to Khartum, Djibouti, Libya, Saudi Arabia to meet with "TFG" officials, but how can you reconcile with someone who doesn't call the shots? Ethiopia & America called all the shots, not any "TFG" official, so it was futile from day one.[/quote]

Well said.

[quote="Saracen"][quote="FAH1223"]no such thing as reconciliation, reconstruction, PROGRESS

more fights, more poverty, more disease

i blame everyone[/quote]

There should be reconciliation between freedom fighters and occupiers/collaborators? How can there be reconstruction/progress where there's insecurity and armed/military conflict? You say you blame everyone; is that including America?[/quote]

of course, America calls the shots

Koronto, I agree about the ICU, they were the ones who made the progress. They are the only ones who come to mind in Benadir, loool you didn't have to remind me, sxb

but they were the ones who made the mistakes and faulted themselves to get the ethiopians in, no can deny that. The situation was way too delicate for such hardline talk...IMO

shabaab is NOT ICU, though, they broke off from them and there is a rift now

[quote="Koronto91"]FAH1223,

The Islamic Courts Union made a lot of progress:

-They removed all 71 Isbaarooyin from Banadir.
-They provided security to all of the residents of their territories.
-They elected a committee that foresaw the returning of looted properties to their rightful owners.
-They shut down pornographic cinemas.
-They re-opened the sea port and air port.
-They reconstructed Masjid Sh. Ali Sufi, Isbaheysiga & Arbaca Rukun.
-They cleaned up the streets from garbage & debris.
-They opened all of Mogadishu's main roads.
-They raised $1.2 million for flood victims of 2006.
-They banned charcoal trade.
-They banned Khat.
-They funded many orphanages and Islamic madrasahs.

I know all of this firsthand, because I went back to Mogadishu in June 2006 and saw all of their work, I don't need to read half-baked stories from Reuters or the AP that they were "extreme" or "the new Taliban."

What has the "TFG" done? Where did all the international donor money go? What ministiries have they re-opened? What security have they provided? Why should anyone support them?

The ICU made many efforts to reconcile with the "TFG", they went to Khartum, Djibouti, Libya, Saudi Arabia to meet with "TFG" officials, but how can you reconcile with someone who doesn't call the shots? Ethiopia & America called all the shots, not any "TFG" official, so it was futile from day one.[/quote]

Well said.. Remember they also tried to end the mentality of not marrying from certain tribes... Sheik Shareef himself got a couple married, the girl was supposedly from the untouchable tribe...The guys family were against it but sheik shareef put an end to it..

While Abdulahi Yusuf is telling poor Jareerweynes that their not somalis..

I hope you guys dont think I was implying the TFG of all organizations was doing any sort of progress since their inception

the ICU did in a few month span what no one else could do in xamar

[quote="FAH1223"]but they were the ones who made the mistakes and faulted themselves to get the ethiopians in, no can deny that.[/quote]

Elaborate "faulted themselves to get the ethiopians in."

[quote="Saracen"][quote="FAH1223"]but they were the ones who made the mistakes and faulted themselves to get the ethiopians in, no can deny that.[/quote]

Elaborate "faulted themselves to get the ethiopians in."[/quote]

The talk of "jihad this, jihad that"

giving the ethiopians and americans green light, talking about taking somali galbeed....

[quote="FAH1223"]The talk of "jihad this, jihad that"

giving the ethiopians and americans green light, talking about taking somali galbeed....[/quote]

Mere talking of jihad led to invasion and occupation?