damn fuleysana kuwanu ??

[Murax]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Murax, If I was you, I'd let this thread die[/quote]


Why? Do I have something to hide or be ashamed of? Sxb We don't have any skeletons and we discuss everything, lol..

[MJ-Pride]

Spot on Atomic. That is why i recommended Murax to let this thread die. The fact that they confronted him in Bua'ale emphasizes this

[wadaniweyn1]

[quote="Advocatar"]This is comical..........lol @ crossing to kenya by the thousands!


I would really believe that if we havent lost any battle in history and there's none that fight with dignity like us.[/quote]



so who are these ppl ?? loool.


Somalia: Refugees pour into Kenya

September 04, 2007 08:36 AM

Mogadishu 04, Sept.07 ( Sh.M.Network)- More than 8000 Somali refugees, mainly women and children, have crossed into the Kenya border within the last 24 hours.






Majority of the refugees arrived in Dadaab refugee camp in northern Kenya. It is reported these refugees are fleeing the violence and hostility in Southern Somalia.



The Somali refugees enter Kenya amid border security and the Kenya government attempts to stop the flow of refugees into its territory. Eyewitness accounts reported that Kenyan police have arrested many refugees, taking them into detentions.



Witnesses told Somali media that members of the detained refugees were taken to court and were given various sentences and a fine of more than $800. It is believed that those detained did not have any access to legal counseling.



The living conditions of these refugees are alarming with thousands of them stationed at the camps without food and shelter.



Kenya security forces have now tightened the security and entry posts at the border to stop further flow of Somalis.



Earlier this year, the Kenyan government arrested several Somalis at the border who were later accused of being terrorists and handed over to the Somali and Ethiopian troops in Somalia.



Source: Press TV (Iran)

Islamists capture key Somali port

Fighters seized control of the capital Mogadishu in June
The last port in southern Somalia outside the control of the Islamic Courts (UIC) movement has fallen to the militants without a shot being fired.
Defence Minister Barre Hiraale and hundreds of his militia withdrew in 40 lorries as the Islamists approached.

UIC leader Sheikh Sharif Ahmed told the BBC Somali service that he had men both inside and around Kismayo.

Thousands of people are reported to have fled the city in recent days but others are celebrating on the streets.

Kismayo journalist Nasteh Dahir told the BBC's Network Africa programme that thousands of people had gathered in the town, chanting "God is great" to welcome the UIC fighters.

He said they had taken control of the whole city - the airport, the sea port and the building where Kismayo's former ruler, Mr Hiraale, had been based.

Witnesses told AFP news agency they had seen more than 600 Islamist gunmen on about 50 "battlewagons" - machine-gun mounted pick-ups also known as "technicals" - heading toward Kismayo on Sunday

The UIC had said it would occupy Kismayo to stop a foreign peacekeeping force using it as a bridgehead.

I spoke my father in Kismayo, he told me UIC came this morning and everybody happy

abdullahi, uk

Earlier this month, the African Union agreed to a request by Somalia's transitional government, which controls only a small part of the country, to send in a regional peacekeeping force.

The UIC has steadily increased its hold on Somalia since its fighters took control of the capital, Mogadishu, in June, taking control of hundreds of square kilometres of territory while hardly firing a shot.

The country's transitional government is confined to a single town, Baidoa, and its president was the victim of a recent assassination attempt.

However, it remains recognised internationally as the sovereign authority of Somalia, which has not had an effective national government for 15 years.

'Ceasefire breached'

The local militia in Kismayo was led by Mr Hiraale of the Juba Valley Alliance.

Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying any attack on Kismayo would breach a ceasefire deal between the administration and the Islamists agreed during recent talks in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum.


"We're requesting that the international community pressurise the UIC to stop attacking," he said.

The talks were due to resume later this month.

BBC Africa analyst David Bamford says the UIC insists it is a force for unity and stability in Somalia after years of division under the warlords.

But he adds that in recent weeks, its case has been severely tested as Islamist militants within their ranks have closed down cinemas and prevented Somali women working for non-governmental organisations.

The killings of a Western journalist and an elderly Italian nun have also raised concern.



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Are you in Kismayo or are you one those who left the port recently? Do you know anyone in the area who is affected?

Your comments:

I spoke my father in Kismayo, he told me UIC came this morning and everybody happy. Since 1991 we have been living fearful and panic because of warlords and tribalism. Now anxiety has gone and everybody enjoying. He said we are expecting law and order, and unity and prosperity like Mogadisho.
abdullahi, uk


I have been talking to friends and they told me not many people left Kismayo for fear. In fact many people are welcoming them so that law and order can restored.
abdirashid, Rosemount, USA


My name is Mohamed and I live in Kismayo, Somalia. I am very happy that the UIC are coming because they will bring us freedom and security which Allah gives us in great amounts. Everyone is celebrating in Kismayo now about the great news. We are tired of them warlords who were controlling Somalia in falsehood but now here is the UIC bringing freedom.
mohamed, kismayo


My cousin and his family lived in Kismayo for many years. He called me by phone yesterday because everyone was leaving the city in fear of the UIC warlords. The UIC control Mogadishu by force and by terror not by freedom. He said people just want freedom not extremism and fearful life and wish for international help. Most of my friends in Kismayo have already left for Kenya or Baidoa. I was advising my cousin to come to Puntland as soon as possible but it was too late for them. He could not make decision faster, he is paying for it.
Mahdi, Puntland, Somalia


I live in Kismayo, there has been panic that there will be a war in the town, but fortunately there has not been a war, and all people are excited that the UIC are coming and bringing law and order after long time of rule by the different warlords
Abdi Dahir, Kismayo, Somalia


The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) are by the people of Somalia and for the people, they enjoy most of the Somali people's support, after years of warlordism, divisionism, and greedy thugs. UIC army and its leaders are working voluntarily day and night to return the dignity of all Somali people. They are indeed a uniting force since, we, Somalis, are tired of tribalism which is rooted in ignorance and intolerance towards your Somali brothers and sisters


http://www.africanpath.com/p_blogEntry. ... tryID=2254


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5376524.stm

[wadaniweyn1]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Murax, If I was you, I'd let this thread die[/quote]



qarxiis 101. lool

[Murax]

[quote="Atomic"][quote="Murax"][quote="Atomic"][quote="Murax"]Sxb, did you see the video those people were protesting against the ICU and burning tires, where are the pro-icu MR?. As for the ICU, they did have broad support even among my family. So what? Most people supported for what they did in banadir, and not for taking over other peoples lands.

If they had a lot of support from MR in kismayo, why attack it in the first place?

I understand the tendency to create elaborate excuses, but you lost the city and Hiiraale ran. That's the cold hard truth.[/quote]



Ican like I said before we have different shaqsi, idealogy within Beesha. I'm not here saying that Marexaan were 100% ICU but that they were not 100% Anti ICU. Using Your logic I'd say that majority of Marexaan were Xabashi lovers because some MR guy used them during the Itixaad wars. When Jaamac Daahir and large sections of Majerten support Carta Government and Cabdullahi Yusuf karbashes them, those same divisions existed. Teeda kale if the ICU was a clan entity what were they? What does ICU stand for? Was it a SPM, USC, SSDF? Imagine the confusion of a Marexaan in Kismayo when the people that are at the head of the army (Ugaas Weli) Are Marexaan and there using a "Islam name" especially when the Marexaan led Itixaad was just bitterly defeated a very short while ago?

[wadaniweyn1]

[quote="Atomic"][quote="Murax"][quote="Atomic"][quote="Murax"]What a nacas, lolz..

Dagaalahi ICU dagaalo beleed miye ahayeen mise dagaalo shaqsi ah that pitted brother against brother Uncle against Nephew? Jaahil sanaa wuxu, lol..[/quote]


acudibillah, the excuses from marehan is in a league of it's own. You win some you loose some, no need to make up excuses to bandage up your ego sxb.[/quote]


lol...

So when personal family of mine had positions within the ICU, and one of them even gave his life for the sake of his Country/Deen along with some of his other clansmen the ICU becomes a "clan entity" miyaa? Sxb, in the MR shirs in my area the ICU MR Non ICU MR always square off and my entire family extended family were diehard ICU lovers.[/quote]

Sxb, did you see the video those people were protesting against the ICU and burning tires, where are the pro-icu MR?. As for the ICU, they did have broad support even among my family. So what? Most people supported for what they did in banadir, and not for taking over other peoples lands.

If they had a lot of support from MR in kismayo, why attack it in the first place?

I understand the tendency to create elaborate excuses, but you lost the city and Hiiraale ran. That's the cold hard truth.[/quote]

ouch lol that was too cold of a truth .

[Murax]

I'm out of this thread.

300 Men in Buaale after months of Abaalbul ciidan should show you that Barre didn't have Marexaan at that particular moment.

This Wadaniwein guy just posted an article talking about some IDP camps of minorities NGO's used to run in Lower Jubba being evacuated saying they were MR, lool...

Before I resort to qabil bashing which I'm done with I'm exiting this thread. I bid a good night, lol..

[Shirib]

What is this topic about, if Mareehaan are fuleys, what does that make the TFG

[MJ-Pride]

Murax, I had this argument with Warsame in Gedo section and exposed him up really good(You can check the thread there). The reality is Hiraale was played out. First the ceyr used to get 50% of Kismaayo Port and when the ceyr decided to wear cimaamad, Hiraale friends (Seraar, Indhocade and goobaale) all betryed him and cuptured Kismaayo with 400 askar(lol). If Hiraale was sincere in defending the city why did he went to Buale, only to run away from his kids and wife? Hiraale got played out big time

[Advocatar]

looooooool, Wadani get the fuk out of here with your bullshid articles, there's no one that fled......my family was on bothsides YH, so trust me kid.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="MJ-Pride"]Murax, I had this argument with Warsame in Gedo section and exposed him up really good(You can check the thread there). The reality is Hiraale was played out. First the ceyr used to get 50% of Kismaayo Port and when the ceyr decided to wear cimaamad, Hiraale friends (Seraar, Indhocade and goobaale) all betryed him and cuptured Kismaayo with 400 askar(lol). If Hiraale was sincere in defending the city why did he went to Buale, only to run away from his kids and wife? Hiraale got played out big time[/quote]

The ICU wasn't a clan militia or a clan inspired organization but rather a unique conglomerate that transcended beyond clan allegiances that was woven together by business, political, and religious thread. Throughout its battle against its opponents, the organization was highly successful in the sense that it has succeed in isolating all its opponents from their clan and later destroying them in the battle-field. The first victim of the ICU was Bashir Rage and even his close relative Haji Abokar Adan turned up against him and in fact financed the war against not only him but all the Warsengali and Mudulood warlords. The same tactic was adopted against the rest of the warlords, so this argument that a whole clan should be called cowards simply because one of its warlords was defeated it is both absurd and silly.

I really cant believe the audacity of some-one who lost an entire region ( read Sool) to Somaliland to have the guts to attack some-one for being a coward.

[Atomic]

Marehan can convince themselves the earth is flat if it served them a purpose. Let's let this thread die, no need to bring up embarrassing events from the past.

[Atomic]

Twisted logic

it seems your estrogen levels are at an all time high. Who called a whole clan cowards? Nobody. Does that change the fact marehan lost kismayo? no. There was a islamic courts that opened in galkacyo, but that doesn't mean all MJ were pro ICU.

Who exactly lost an entire region(sool)? Last I checked the same clan owns the region.

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

The ICU never mentioned clan name at all and only mentioned verses from the Quran, talked about unity, Brotherhood and all other common Muslim values. The Clan elders used to buy in quickly, then the masses and then finally the warlord would have no crutch left. In addition to that look at the ICU's actions in the cities as they actually did good jobs of not menacing the population like a clan outfit would do. All in all the ICU was a very diciplined, orginized unit that had support of most of Somalias population. If they had a little more patience they were bound to take over the whole Country.


MJ Pride/Atomic,

Walaalayaal waan is naqaana, and I know very well where the grudge and hate is coming from, lol. Laakin Somalis say "Ragga waxaa ugu xun ciil kama baxe" marka nimanyahow let it go and quite the Marexaan obsession. I post at a ballistic rate, laakin none of my posts are directed or are about Majerten as there not on my mind per se, but I can't say the same about you guys, when it comes to us lol...

[MJ-Pride]

this Twisted Logic dameer been following me around for three days now. Dude that debate is over and the thread is moved to another palce. Just act cool and stop harboring grudges looool. He opened a thread about the most annoying people in Somalinet(just to include me in), and then had to re-phrase it again, and now sticks his nose into inner Darood debate, so score some petty points.. Move on brah. Wait for another time