Somali history in maps, from the ancient world to the modern

[Advo]

Wow I didnt know my mareexaan folks had such influence in northern somalia, I know about our connection to haraar like Sheekh Abaadir Muuse Warwaajecle who founded harar and Imaam nur who was the right hand man of Ahmed Gurey, it's funny how we moved from tip to tip.

[Rebel-Lion]

Gamadid

sxb, you being a sacad I know the sultan of hobyo kenadid and that era is a sensitive issue. Laakin unfortunately he did no pleading with the locals and took the land by force. Their is documented history, but as humans and especially somali's our ego will lead us to come up with our own history.

[King-of-Awdal]

Gamadid

Dude am serious iam not from somalia and neither are my parents. what the hate dude not all somali people are from somalia or somaliland.

Advo

I know you guyz are a lost society, i was shocked when i ran into Murax Cuz in Borama.LOL

[James Dahl]

[quote="Alchemist"]James i got a question.. Your claim for making maps you say is "your a nut for history", Ok why would a white dude be so interested in a small boring somali history.

Im somali and if i would to study history to be honest i would spend more time studying the history of other civilizations such as Rome, Persia, Islamic empire..[/quote]

I study those too, but Somali history is not boring at all, just largely undocumented and ignored. That also makes it interesting because there are so many holes, it's kind of an adventure trying to figure it all out.

[Alchemist]

[quote="James Dahl"][quote="Alchemist"]James i got a question.. Your claim for making maps you say is "your a nut for history", Ok why would a white dude be so interested in a small boring somali history.

Im somali and if i would to study history to be honest i would spend more time studying the history of other civilizations such as Rome, Persia, Islamic empire..[/quote]

I study those too, but Somali history is not boring at all, just largely undocumented and ignored. That also makes it interesting because there are so many holes, it's kind of an adventure trying to figure it all out.[/quote]

"It's kind of an adventure trying to figure it all out" loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

that last part cracks me up. lool.. Anyways enjoy..

[Rebel-Lion]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1550ad.png

this map makes no sense, marexan covered that much land and no harti at all. what is this based on?

[Gamadid.]

Rebel,

I prefer the good fights with you saxib, don't be too nice. Waan ku sabaaxadaynaa with no remorse :)) Come on, tell me your documented history. Provide a link. I already know about it, but still others may need to see it. There is nothing as a sensitive issue. people deal with false history and mischaracterization of what was saxib. There is diffrence between telling the truth and telling made-up history for ego-trips and feel-good stuff :))



King-Awdal


Are you from Jabuuti? I see.

[James Dahl]

[quote="Rebel-Lion"]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 1550ad.png

this map makes no sense, marexan covered that much land and no harti at all. what is this based on?[/quote]

There's no harti because Kablalax wasn't split yet, and for whatever reason the Girri ruled all Kablalax.

[Shirib]

Geledi ruled the area between the two rivers, I think that are is too small, the Mirifle clans fell under Geledi

Plus the Tunni of Barrawe were with the Geledi, and in your map you make it Biimaal, when Biimaal were only in and around Marka and didn't reach Barrawe. Barrawe was with the Geledi.

Otherwise everything is looks good.

[Advo]

James, what happened to the Leelkase Dynasty......@ one point they controlled all Darood, but after they taxed citizens heavily, all darood came together to defeat the kindom.

[Voltage]

James, your third map was by far one of the most correct one, but the rest were not.

In the 1800's Italian signore described from Harrar area to Sinadaqo, a suburb of Dhuusamareeb being Mareexaan country

http://bp1.blogger.com/_lQqLEOk7nKg/Rqs ... obechi.bmp

In 1900, this map shows Marehaan living as far as Sool in Boohodle, a timespan you say Mareexaan was only in Dhusamareb area

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... 1185731263

http://bp2.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/Rqo ... nd1987.JPG

In 19th century we were crossing the Jubba river as MUSLIM MISSIONARIES OUT TO ISLAMIZE SOUTH OF THE JUBBA

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... 0Jubba.jpg

By 1914 the Italians estimated Mareexaan and Ogaden population to be the same in Jubbaland, a land you gave "aulihan"

http://bp2.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/Rqo ... nd1897.JPG

In that same time, British expedition shows Mareexaan as being exclusive the clan between Baardheere to southern Ethiopia, proofing the mass Mareexaan migration that came as a result of Islamic missionary

http://bp1.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/R2q ... hanyb6.png

http://bp0.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/R2q ... nlyih6.png

Shortly Afterwards Jubbaland was declared as being "Marehan Country" by the English Ambassador to Sudan

http://bp2.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/RrY ... ountry.JPG

At that same time, the Sayid boasts of his Mareexaan allies, using their alliance as the epitome of his power due to their extensive territories

http://bp3.blogger.com/_lQqLEOk7nKg/Rqs ... sayid1.bmp

http://bp0.blogger.com/_lQqLEOk7nKg/Rqs ... ayid-1.bmp









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Conclusion: You are as always biased about this clan and purposely failed to take into account their gradual migration from the north to the South to SPREAD ISLAM BEYOND THE JUBBA RIVER, or the "no go zone" at that time. One thing you should be applauded for, however, is accepting the Mareexaan central position in the Islamic fight of the North and Ethiopia. Still your map is inaccurate and biased because we have proven that Mareexaan were bordering Dhulbahante and Isaaq at a time when you said they only lived around "Dhusamareb". And you have purposely ignored the connection between the diminishing numbers in the north and the enlargening numbers in the south, something that backs up the gradual migration to lead the Islamic fight in the paganistic south beyond the Jubba.

[James Dahl]

Rebel-Lion: It's based on the writing of Ahmad Gurey's Somali allies by his contemporaries (it is written as though he wasn't himself Somali, though that's an argument for another day). Essentially his allies were from three sources, the chiefs of the Marehan and Girri Kablalax, and a few random dudes from the south.

Advo: Never heard about this before, what time would this have been, 1300s?

Voltage: I don't have an exact date for when the Beidyahan and Dulbahante forced the Marehan out of Sool. The 19th century map has pretty bad distortion though, and actually their position (if you factor in the map distortion) is roughly the dusamareb/warder/abudwaq region. It is entirely possible the Marehan were still in sool in the 19th century, but I just don't have enough evidence. Not sure what you mean about bias, why would I deliberately be wrong?

Shirb: Interesting, what about during the Silcis administration? Were the Geledi still in charge in Bay/Bakool?

[Shirib]

^^ No when Silcis was ruing Geledi just had there area, it wasn't till SIlcis was defeated that Geledi became the rulers of all that land. Before that it was Silcis and Ajuuraan

[Voltage]

Also, in that map with Marehan ruling Harrar and the North, but Girri ruling Bari, you are also inaccurate. Girri did not rule Bari. We did. Infact, we ruled from from Bender Ziyade on the Gulf of ADEN (present-day Awdal/Djbouti territory) to beyond Ras el-Khail on the INDIAN OCEAN. Basically we ad supreme suzerainty from Djbouti to Ras Xaafuun.

Gherri, are recorded as living southwest of Harrar.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... /info1.jpg

[Voltage]

[quote="James Dahl"]Voltage: I don't have an exact date for when the Beidyahan and Dulbahante forced the Marehan out of Sool. The 19th century map has pretty bad distortion though, and actually their position (if you factor in the map distortion) is roughly the dusamareb/warder/abudwaq region. It is entirely possible the Marehan were still in sool in the 19th century, but I just don't have enough evidence. Not sure what you mean about bias, why would I deliberately be wrong? [/quote]

The distortion is yours. No, it is not roughly the Dhusamareb, Wardeer, Cabudwaaq area. It is a British map of the beginning of British Somaliland. By their own account Marehan were inhabitants of the demarcated "British Somaliland", notice how even the Marean are well within crease that separates British Somaliland from Mudug. Also, read the the geography of the Marehan degaan...specifically labeled "Nugaal", the territory that Sool continued to be part of until Siad Barre seperated Sool from Nugaal in the 70's.

These are the facts...separate opinion from fact.

You also left out the writtin information of a French source of British Somaliland...notice along with Warsangeli, and Dhulbahante, the Mareexaan are mentioned as inhabitants.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_93eAGUfvip8/Rqo ... nd1987.JPG

Conclusive evidence if ever there was. Impartial individuals wound long have admitted error and altered their map.