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Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:43 am
by 1nemansquad
Ofcourse they are not the enemy if you are Isaaq, y'll are related sax? :lol:

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:22 am
by gurey25
Ben Dover wrote:Jews are not the enemy though... :|
enemy is too simple.
in reality we have varying degrees of enemies and friends, and it fluctuates.
1nemansquad wrote:Ofcourse they are not the enemy if you are Isaaq, y'll are related sax? :lol:
^ :lol: :lol:

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:10 am
by Starscream
I've heard that, of the 10 lost tribes of Israel (archfather nebi yacqub's nickname), the tribes Dan, Asher, Gad and Naphtali moved to Africa after the destruction. Their descendants are mostly found in Ethiopia, and only a fraction maintained their judaism, the falasha or beta israel as they call themselves. The rest became christians and even muslims over the centuries.

Even descendants of nebi Mussa ended up in ethiopia, his wife was from cush.

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:21 am
by The_Emperior5
Cawar wrote:
Goljano Lion wrote:
Navy9 wrote:1. Reuben
2. Simeon
3. Levi
4. Judah
5. Issachar
6. Zebulun
7. Dan
8. Naphtali
9. Gad
10. Asher
11. Joseph (Yusuf)
12. Benjamin

Prophet Yusuf said "O my father! Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves to me."

Prophet Jacob replied "O my son! Relate not your vision to your brothers, lest they arrange a plot against you. Verily! Satan is to man an open enemy! Thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of dreams (an other things) and perfect His Favor on you and on the offspring of Yaqub, as He perfected it on your fathers, Abraham, and Isaac aforetime! Verily! your Lord is All-Knowing, All-Wise."

Jacob = Yaqub
it is like the 12 tribes of reer sheikh isaaq
Yeah you guys are related according to you..we all know that.

Shiek Isxaq and Isack the Jew.... :mrgreen:

how can nabbi ishaaq be jew its like sayng Nabbi iebrahien is jew or nabbi nuux is jew
Nabbi isxaaq his son was Jakob nicknamed isreal and nabbi yacquub his son was juda so its hard to believe that That nabbi ishaak is jew becouse yahuuda came like after Nabbi yacquub ma fahantay

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:24 am
by The_Emperior5
QansaGabeyle wrote:Why are we learning about the jews tonight? :?

Your not learning about jews today your learning about the bani isreal its diffrence one son of Nabbi yacquub was called yahuuda and he is the Father of the so called jews

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:26 am
by The_Emperior5
gurey25 wrote:8 clans of isaaq, not 12

gedoboy isnt it interesting how the somali pronounciation of isxaaq is isaaq
and closer to yitzaq than the arabic.

actually its 12 4 sons in Yemen if you add them but the reer sheikh isxaaq in East africa are 8

Ibn yusuf
Ibn mansuur
Ibn cadnaan
ibn yaxya but i am not sure the last one
Those in yemen

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:37 am
by Navy9
The_Emperior5 wrote:how can nabbi ishaaq be jew its like sayng Nabbi iebrahien is jew or nabbi nuux is jew
Excellent comment, thank you :up:

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:09 am
by Navy9
Grant wrote:Those are the twelve tribes of the Exodus. It gets morphed a little later on.

Israel was divided into twelve parcels, each to be held by a different tribe. Then the Levites were dedicated entirerly to God, and could not properly hold land.

I think prophet Moses was from the levites tribe. Do you know the name of the Pharoah who chased him and his people down to the Red Sea?

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:17 am
by fagash_killer
good topic :up: know your history cuss we one with our lost brothers.it is the arabs scholars that progammed many of you to hate your own kind only for siyasaad.but i know im a cushite son of a israelite :up:

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:11 am
by The_Emperior5
faqashkiller kushite has nothing to do with the 12 Tribes of Isreal maad walantahay horta adigu

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:16 am
by Grant
Navy9 wrote:
Grant wrote:Those are the twelve tribes of the Exodus. It gets morphed a little later on.

Israel was divided into twelve parcels, each to be held by a different tribe. Then the Levites were dedicated entirerly to God, and could not properly hold land.

I think prophet Moses was from the levites tribe. Do you know the name of the Pharoah who chased him and his people down to the Red Sea?
Navy,

Moses was a Levite. He had two wives but no children. All of the Cohens are descended from his brother, Aaron (Haroun). They have a genetic marker which has shown that 50% of all Ashkenazi and Sephardic men are direct descendants of Aaron. The Lemba and Falasha also have a smaller percentage of this marker, which exists in almost no other human population. Actually, most of the Falasha got to Ethiopia at the time of the reign of the Queen of Sheba, much earlier than the fall of the northern kingdom to the Assyrians.

The exact date of the Exodus is not certain, somewhere between 1440 and 1290 BCE. Ramses II is usually named as the Pharoah , but this is still a matter for scholarly debate.

My suspicion is that the Hebrews are the Hyksos, who arrived in Egypt about 1650 BCE. and that the Pharoah in question was a minor figure (possibly the younger brother of Hatshepsut) after the restoration of the traditional polytheistic religion following the death of Ankhnaton.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/stream ... apiru.html

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:12 pm
by Navy9
Hyksos, i haven't heard that name for ages (i grew up in egypt and finished a major part of my schooling over there). Its believed that the Hyksos were people from Asia.

People from Asia, with horse power who warshipped weird Gods and were despised by native Egyptians. Is it possible that they are the forefathers of the Mongols? :shock: who knows!!!

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:26 pm
by gurey25
I believe the hyksos were a migration of asiatic groups which included the habiru or hebrews.
the habiru were probably another mixed group containing the decendants of jacob(isrealites) and other related semetic speaking nomadic tribes.

Ramses is the popular choice fro the pharoah depicted in the bible/quran but we know so much about ramses the 2nd and that time period and its not possible, its probably tuthmose.
and hatshetput is a few hundred years before these events.


an interesting bit of fact.
the makers of Stargate Sg1 took the names of Hyksos kings and towns for thier charecters. if you watched the show you know Apophis
and Abydos, Apophis was a common name and several hyksos kings had it. Abydos was a planet in the series but it was also a capital city of the hyksos.

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:29 pm
by Shirib
Hyksos were the rulers of the Aamu/Asiatics who came from the north Palestine, Lebanon, Syria.

Just learned about them in my Ancient Near East class

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel (12 sons of prophet Jacob)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:29 pm
by gurey25
The_Emperior5 wrote:
gurey25 wrote:8 clans of isaaq, not 12

gedoboy isnt it interesting how the somali pronounciation of isxaaq is isaaq
and closer to yitzaq than the arabic.

actually its 12 4 sons in Yemen if you add them but the reer sheikh isxaaq in East africa are 8

Ibn yusuf
Ibn mansuur
Ibn cadnaan
ibn yaxya but i am not sure the last one
Those in yemen
emperior shiekh isxaaq also had 4 sons in hejaz and they are still clans today, and one more clan in egypt traces decent from the same historic shiekh isxaaq.

we should have an international isxaaq gettogether.
:lol: