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snowflakes821 wrote:
Apparently asking for examples means I'm a kuffar or that I have a Western mentality. Why can't I inquire about things without being labelled?

You put kaffir in your post, I didn't. Labeling another Muslim kuffar is a serious matter in which I would never do. There is a hadith that says if you call your Muslim brother (or sister) a kaffir and it turns out they are not, then the label goes right back to you. All I said was you exhibit the Western mentality of many Somalis advocating another tool to cure qabyalaad, when Islam has proven to cure it amongst peoples before us.

But you sort of imply or don't believe Islam can cure social ills, when it has in the past. And if Somalis as a collective group had an ounce more of Iman, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about how qabilism was used to destroy Somalis and Somalia from the face of the earth. If you abandon the simple teachings of the Qur'an, Allah (SWT) will ridicule and debase you by making his enemies triumph over you, simple and plain.

If you hate another Muslim based on clanship you probably have very low iman. If you want to kill or have killed another Muslim based on clanship, then you have low iman and may have left the fold of Islam. You can't give me another alternate explanation.

From the great professor Warsame,

Warsame101 wrote: There is actually little contrast between the current situations of today's Somalis and the Arabs in the Jahiliyyah period (before the advent of the Prophet). The actual difference being that the Arab nomads didn't receive the message of Islam yet. To list the similarities,

1. The pre-Islamic Arabs were continuously engaged in tribal raids
1. Present-day Somalis still raid each other albeit not as frequent.

2. The pre-Islamic Arabs used to carry out retaliatory executions.
2. Present-day Somalis still carry out retaliatory murders.

3. The pre-Islamic Arabs glorified and venerated their ancestors.
3. Present-day Somalis still glorify and venerate their ancestors.

4. The pre-Islamic Arabs were deeply superstitious and prejudiced.
4. Present-day Somalis are still in engulfed in superstition and prejudice.

Once Iimaan entered the hearts of the Arab nomads and shunned associating partners with Allah, they transformed from a bunch of ignoramuses into an urban phenomenon.

Similarly, the same effect was produced in almost every culture that fully embraced Islam. For instance, the transformation of the Seljuks (Turkish group) stemming from a tribal-based nomadic culture to being world leaders and the destroyers of the Roman-Byzantine Empire. What about the Berber nomads and the indigenous Africans from North-West, West Africa respectively, who upon fully adopting Islam, conquered Spain and went up-far as south of France and installing an world-centre of science and learning..

this is a very tricky situation and one must take that into consideration. if religion is implemented in its true form when dealing with political matters i suppose there is a chance, but when religion is used for all the wrong reasons than obviously you can't expect anything better than what we have in modern day Somalia.

The-Screw wrote:this is a very tricky situation and one must take that into consideration. if religion is implemented in its true form when dealing with political matters i suppose there is a chance, but when religion is used for all the wrong reasons than obviously you can't expect anything better than what we have in modern day Somalia.

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