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[QansaGabeyle]

Sharmaake was the oldest therefore wax la khilaafey majirto

But Sharmarke was not the oldest saaxib. Khaliif was.........nin bah gooni ahaa. Wax Nuur ka hadlaye majiro.

[Shankaroon_614]

Ya'll are freaking confusing me walahi...so if Khaliif was the oldest son as Qansa said then why was Sharmarke the Ugaas????...could it be tuugnimo ama wax lamid ah? Could the same thing had happened to the previous older sons and what not? I mean guys lets be logical here...how in the world do we know who was older then who? As Sadeboi also stated in another post that noone in their right mind could tell or know who was older then who...so how do WE know? Are we just guessing? And if we don't know who was older then who...how can I (or many others) agree with you guys that the Ugaasnimo was giving to the oldest son, which we DON"T KNOW who it is!! Am I making sense here? I hope I am...



henceforth...I am gonna stick to my believe that there is NO Ugaas!!

[Warsame101]

Advo, the buddhig oral story is something that every Mareexaan historian is aware of.

Do not post or discuss anything without factual substance.

Qansa, saaxib, some of these kids do not even know how Ugaas Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) received the Ugaas-ship of Mareexaan Bari.

After the Ceelbuur uprising, Mareexaanka degan Ximan expanded further in to Galbeed. Ogaadeenka, who were complaining of land expansion, met with them. They said, in order for talks to proceed, bring your Ugaas, but since the Ugaas was in Gedo with the Reer Galti, Mareexaanka had to choose one for Bari.

Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac Gari (RH) ayaa isugu sharaxay jagada laakin Reer Kooshin ayaa ka biyo diiday. They said, the new Ugaas of Bari should be Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) and it was agreed upon by the rest.

Laakin the first traditional and hierarchical Ugaas is the one in Gedo. The rest have been chosen by others.

[sadeboi]

Shanka, actually from Maxamed-Da'uud on there was a hereditary ugaaship of which the eldest was the Ugaas. Qansa is right in which khalaf-qoracne was the oldest but sarmarke aya bud-dhiegy odeygi markaas sharmarke felt like he should be ugaas, tan kale khalaf-qoracne was bah kaligiis ah, sharmarka had 2 brothers who were also big. Runti hadi la sheego meesha xin iyo xoog ba ka dhacdey. Sharmarke iyo khalaf wey isku qabsadeen ugaasnimadi, marka beesha wey kula kal jabeen, so shir ba la iskula yeerey oo waxa la yiri marexaan oo dhan ba dhexgallayaan halkaas isku imaada ilma diiniyo. The night before they were suppose to go to the meeting spot, siyaad took warsame with him, and he cut the rope tied to khalaf-qoracne's horse, the horse ran off and khalaf had no ride the next day when he woke up, and when sharmarke went there and khalaaf was no where to be founded he was crowned. Khalaf wanted in uu is qoraco as I heard and he was stopped, afterwards he took his family and moved to dhulka galbeed, where his descendants still live. You get it now thou.


Warsame, beenta naga daa, reer-koshin xil ugaasnimo iskuma so istajin ee. Nin aan la yaabey baad tahay been iyo war aan jirin baad markasto la imaada.

[CoolPoisoninthisbijj]

Advo, the buddhig oral story is something that every Mareexaan historian is aware of.

Do not post or discuss anything without factual substance.

Qansa, saaxib, some of these kids do not even know how Ugaas Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) received the Ugaas-ship of Mareexaan Bari.

After the Ceelbuur uprising, Mareexaanka degan Ximan expanded further in to Galbeed. Ogaadeenka, who were complaining of land expansion, met with them. They said, in order for talks to proceed, bring your Ugaas, but since the Ugaas was in Gedo with the Reer Galti, Mareexaanka had to choose one for Bari.

Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac Gari (RH) ayaa isugu sharaxay jagada laakin Reer Kooshin ayaa ka biyo diiday. They said, the new Ugaas of Bari should be Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) and it was agreed upon by the rest.

Laakin the first traditional and hierarchical Ugaas is the one in Gedo. The rest have been chosen by others.

^^thats true, Ugas Abdulle was chosen when other Ugas was in Gedo.

but we Rer Siyad Husein and Wagardha dont accept Ugas Bari anymore.

[Voltage]

Qansa, saaxib, some of these kids do not even know how Ugaas Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) received the Ugaas-ship of Mareexaan Bari.

After the Ceelbuur uprising, Mareexaanka degan Ximan expanded further in to Galbeed. Ogaadeenka, who were complaining of land expansion, met with them. They said, in order for talks to proceed, bring your Ugaas, but since the Ugaas was in Gedo with the Reer Galti, Mareexaanka had to choose one for Bari.

Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac Gari (RH) ayaa isugu sharaxay jagada laakin Reer Kooshin ayaa ka biyo diiday. They said, the new Ugaas of Bari should be Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) and it was agreed upon by the rest.

Laakin the first traditional and hierarchical Ugaas is the one in Gedo. The rest have been chosen by others.

Laa xawla walaa quwata ilaa bilaah

Reer Kooshin buufis buu qabaa, everything he brings include reer kooshin

Waxaan la yaabanahay nin yimid oo yiri "reer Kooshin baa ugaasnimada isku sharaxay", Ugaasnimo nin leeyahay sidee iskugu sharaxi kartaa inaa lilaah, where did reer kooshin out of all other clans ka keenay indha adeegnimadaas

Same thing as his b.s bud dhige nacnac saying meesha baa laysku qabsadayoo, hee, kooshin baa kala gar qaaday

I don't remember the whole story, but Fact is reer Siyaad went to war adeer when Reer Dalal tried to claim the Ugaasnimo, the fight i brought here about fighting between Siyad Ugas and Bah-Ogaden is that exact reason. Reer Ugaas Shermaake markay caradii ka tageen oo Cali Xaabuun reer Ugaas Shermaakahi haray magacaabeen, reer Dalal tried to insubordinate and name themselves Ugaas, reer Siyaad baa dagaal u diyaar garoowe and xoog kaga keeney Ugaasnimada. After then no one ever decided to contest Cali Xaabuun's ugaas ship

[CoolPoisoninthisbijj]

^^Mad_Dogg, ive given up on U and sadegirl. U bijjes always bring bullshiid stories.

i trust warsame1 more about history then U fockers who never went to somalia. U focker said that Shire Jama was Wagarda when he was Rer Dalal and U made me focking believe it.

fock, only persons i trust from history in gedo forum's

warsame1
Qansa
precious_dyme


all the rest are focking liars

[Voltage]

Coolpoision adiguna waxaad iga dabo qaadatay when I said NO! to the warlords, awal wadigii gacantayda ka leefi jiray, hadana hadaan iraaho yes to Cabaas mooryaan and all those other petty warlords, waad iga dabo qaadan. Maba doonaya inaad waligaa wax igu racdid adigoo maskaxda jaahilka ahi wato period!

as for shire jama, i have never asked for his clan, this is something cilmiile said two years ago and sicne he used to be right in concerning other marehan stuff that i double checked with i never bothered to double check, but i was wrong and when i asked after warsame's thread i was told he was in fact reer Dalal something warsame himself would not have known had he not known Shire Jama's daughter ebyan in europe as for the rest of my natural history, i have been posting here for 4 years and the information on marehan i have written can be compiled into a book adeer that all of to this day cannot measure up to, the last thing i will listen to is your opinion on the factualness of my information

even Gaalada have written about the period when reer Siyaad went to war to take back the Ugaasnimo for bah-Xawaadle

[CoolPoisoninthisbijj]

^^Mad_Dogg, shut the fock up about Talhe Hero Abas Gurey. Ur the focking moryaan.

Ur history's bullshiid. i read warsame1 and Ur stories and warsame1's make more sense since he brings names.

Ur a bijj ass ba'ayeste who never went to somalia, how the fock can I trust u.

[Voltage]

^^Mad_Dogg, shut the fock up about Talhe Hero Abas Gurey. Ur the focking moryaan.

Ur history's bullshiid. i read warsame1 and Ur stories and warsame1's make more sense since he brings names.

Ur a bijj ass ba'ayeste who never went to somalia, how the fock can I trust u.

1. I am not going to talk to you about Abaas.

2. Who did Warsame bring but who he brings ALWAYS, Xaaji Xaashi Gerri who was Dalaayad's dad and Siyaad's father-in-law. Xaaji Xaashi was a respectable man and no respectable man would have claim a title that belongs to another clan. Only a tuug claims it knowing full well a war will take place and people will die of it. Where was reer Siyaad, reer Warsame, and the rest of reer Ugaas Shermaake, when a reer Kooshin man will claim the Ugaasnimo and the other reer Kooshin will say no you are not it we will name the other guy there. I will not insult reer Kooshin but they have never been and will never be in the position to say such a thing, but that caaq has insulted reer Siyaad and reer Warsame by bring such bullzchit whether some retarded oaf like you accepts it or not. A doqon like you can't even understand the implication of what caaq said because you don't have the smallest understanding of Xeer Soomaali, or customary law. Bal fiiri, since you are too dimwitted to understand, that guy said ANOTHER clan claimed a clan's title and that SAME clan then named another man to the title. If that is the case why can't people from ALL OTHER CLANS be up for nomination when the person holding the title dies Doqonimadaada intaas maba garan karto.

3. Consider this my last response to you except for the time when I bring the name of the reer Dalal who tried to claim the title and brought problems to his clan.

[Warsame101]

CoolPoison, ina-adeer, you have to forgive this infantile kid. When he hears magaca Kooshin, he perceives it as a boast. I am trying to educate him but he sees it as an insult.

Nowhere in the the account that I just provided mentions a Reer Kooshin man nominating himself for Ugaaska Bari.

What I mentioned was,

1) Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac-Gari (Reer Nuur) (RH) put forward his nomination for Ugaas-ship for Ximan since Ugaaska Mareexaan was in Gedo.

2) Reer Kooshin rejected it and put forward Cabdille Cali Xaabuun (RH) as the candidate. A vote was taken and all subclans accepted that nonimation. And this was at a time when Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac-Gari assumed the chief of Bah Darandoole after his cousin and chief of Bah Darandoole Xirsi Warsame (RH) was killed in Shilaabo during the Ceelbuur uprising.

Is there a mention of a Reer Kooshin man nonimating himself? No, is there a mention of Reer Kooshin solely voting for Cabdille and excluding the other subclans? No.

Teeda kale, what this kid fails to forget is that Reer Cabdille Cali Xaabuun and my family are qaraabo that extends for four generations in addition to the fact that Ugaas Cabdille Cali Xaabuun raised my grandfather after his father was killed in the Daraawiish wars. But that is not everything, the account that I just provided has been verified by at least 3 odayaal whose fathers were leaders of the Ceelbuur uprising and contemparies of Ugaas Cabdille Cali Xaabuun.

Besides, Reer Xaaji Xaashi Jaamac-Gari are my family, what makes you think I would attribute something he never did if it wasn't history.

Can a kid who has been discredited at least 5 times on this forum be taken seriously. From arguing about something he lacks the knowledge (such as who founded Caabudwaaq to claiming that Shire Jaamac is Wagardhac). You would think he would cease about talking something that he doesn't know shit of.

Why would someone who claims to know the historian Caanogeel, ask his own father for info when Caanogeel shares the same city as him.

I come on the forum to provide history accounts, not contest it. When I mention subclans, it pertains to the history. Anyone can take what I provided and verify it with the known historians of Mareexaan, not your grandmother.

[Voltage]

Warsame, when I address you and put you in your position like I did when I said Maxamuud Cali Shire killed the Harti wadaado and was chased from the city, you kept coming back for weeks for rounds only to hightail when Xoogsade admitted the truth. When I put you in your position in those kinds of situations, it isn't that I perceived a "boast" from you or you brought anything from your side that qualifies as a boast but merely setting the record straight and countering the false information you write her.

When you then argued me with about Ilaawe and Sanyare and about who was the leader of Mareexaan, you kept coming back for rounds only for Qansa to come afterwards later on and announce to us he had just found out Ilaawe was the leader of Mareexaan, I considered that setting you straight.

Or when you came and in your first couple posts, wrote that the largest reer Diini sub-clans are reer Dalal, reer Nuur, and reer Kooshin and you then came to argue with Sadeboi about the fake information you brought, it took the others to come in and announce that, at least to them, reer Siyaad were the second largest Diini sub-clan to sit you down, I considered that setting you straight.

Ma fahantay?

Now you brought the most ludicrious information that we have yet to witness in this form.

Bal arka:

Is the UGAASNIMO a democratic title like maareeye and gudoomiye that can be taken and passed around by vote?

Before I even get into the actual story which I and every Marehan knows which was reer Dalal trying to take the Ugaasnimo and it being brought back by force, we have to address the ridiculous interpreation of Somali dhaqan and Xeer Soomaali you brought.

UGAASNIMADA ADEER DHIIGA AYAY KU BEERANTAHAY.

Markuu nin reer Kooshin isku sharaxayo Ugaasnimada, ma reer Ugaas Shermaake ayaa la waayay? Ma bah-Xawaadle ayaa la waayay?

How could another man claim a title that does not even belong to his CLAN? Particularly a respectable man such as Xaaji Xaashi Jamac Gerri who knows he would have been a prime target for retribution if he even dared utter such a thing?

Ridiculous wallahi and only because of the god damn ignorance of the rest of contributors here are you even in a legitimate discussion with me. Meesha kol hore ayaaba lagaa cayrin lahaa if dad wax yaqaan meesha soo galaan.

Ugaasnimada is a rite that belongs to a single clan, reer Ugaas Shermaake, and in the situation where a reer Ugaas Shermaake does not exist, then it belongs to Siyaad, and in the situation where a Siyaad does not exist, then it belongs to a Warsame. Then it can pass on to some other clan.

Adigana waxaad ka hadlaysaan some b.s story, when it was my own great-grandfather who coronated Cali Xaabuun in the middle of Marehan after reer Dalal were forced to renounce the claim. My father's father's father buu ahaa one of the leaders that declared war on reer Dalal and when reer Dalal renounced the claim, stood up and with Cabdullahi Uruurshe announced to Marehan "speak up if you dare not recognize Ugaasnimada bah-Xawaadle".

This is living history and you come with another man baa another clan's jago isku sharaxo, meesha ma madaxweyne baa loo tartamayaa?

p.s. As for Grandma, well I can say at least everytime I have learned from her has turned out to be the truth.

[sadeboi]

Murran bilaash ah wax na ima tareyso. Adinku is aflagadeynin oo is dhageysanayo baad is-fahamkiina sixi kartiin.

[Warsame101]

Caku ciyaal!

No points addressed what so ever, only cay iyo aflaggaaddo. You are a joke.

[Voltage]

Adeer, every point has been addressed and validated. There is not more I can do here except get voiced testimony. And with all due respect, waxaan ku caayay majirto, in fact you are the one who has consistently insulted me, my father, as well as grandma.

Now go cry me a fukking river.