DHIKR IS THE GREATEST OBLIGATION

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

Mr. Yungnfresh,

Nothing is more authentic then the Qur'an and was in the Qur'an that Allah (swt) said, "Those men and women who engage much in Allah's praise. For them has Allah prepared forgiveness and a great reward." (3:191, 33:35)

Again do you see Allah (swt) setting limits?

ur right, nothing is more authentic than the Qur'an and it was in the Qur'an that Allah SWT said that....but you have to consider the fact that people are able to misunderstand what is meant by an ayat, especially laymen like us. Do u think we have a better understanding than the Saxaaba (RA), who lived among the Prophet SAW? Between us and them, who would be more prone to error regarding the meaning of an ayat?

Let me ask you this...if the Saxaaba (RA) (especially the ones who were around Muhammad SAW the most within the Saxaba) said excessive worship leads to destruction and clearly forbade a group of men from worshipping Allah excessively, would they be right...or did they neglect that ayat and forbid excessive worship out of their own desires? (the evidence of this is still available upon request)

Allah SWT didn't set limits to Cibaada, Muhammad SAW did

[Shirib]

Shirib,

Your ignorance is too great, but I won't step down to the level of some here and call you misguided.

The people you fine funny in that video clip are invoking blessings on the Prophet...noting funny about it.

Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet said: "If people sit in an assembly in which they do not remember Allah nor invoke a blessing on the Prophet, it will be a cause of grief for them on the Day of Judgment." (Narrated by Tirmidhi, who graded it hasan).

Sxb I never called Suufi's or anyone misguided.

I said they looked like they are having fun not that they looked funny.

I don't really see anything wrong with dhikr, but I do think Mowliid is bidca

[Padishah]

Just for my own intellectual curiosity, can those who say that the Prophet (PBUH) imposed limits on dhikr substantiate their claims?

[X.Playa]

Good job I see the debates still continues, They have tried to kill the discourse but good we have some somali tarditionalist fighting off the Salafi takfiir.

The Wahaabis always would argue that anything wasn't practiced during the lifes of the prophet and his Sahaaba is nothing but innovaions, now lets state what came after the Sahbaa and the prophet:

1- The entire "tafsiir" which are the Qur'anic exegesis wasn't written till centuries later by the likes of Ibn Al-Tabari, also the art of reciting the Quraan "tajwiid" wasn't not persent during the time of the prophet not even the Quran was collected. So according to the Wahaabis argument that can be added in their long list of 'innovations".

2- All of "hadiith" the saying of the prophet were collected centuries later in the 8th and 9th century almost 200/300 years later, non of the Hadiith collecters had a written record from Sahaba or the prophet it was all oral, now to seprate weak hadith from authentic once they used their own judgment something they called "Cilma Al-Jarx Wal-Tadliil" which was entirly a theory coined to sif good Hadith from "bad" Hadih, and thats the science that gave us our modern concise valumes of "Hadiith", a science that wasn't presrcibed nor was practiced during the early days of Islam. One can argue that science itself is an 'innovation" according to the logic of Salafis.

3- Ilm Al Tawxiid, Ilm al -Fiqh, were later sicence that were added and commented on to sit islam in its foundation, can that also be called 'innovations" since non of these fields of thoughts existed during early Islam.

Now came the sciences of Sufism , Ilm-Al-Tasawuf to purify once soul. "He has succeeded who purifies himself" (Qur'an 87:14). A hadith related by al-Bukhari states:

Allah Most High says: ". . . . My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory upon him, and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks. If he asks me, I will surely give to him, and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him (Sahih al-Bukhari. 9 vols.

and to accomplish both of the above gave brith to the science of Dikir, love and ikhaals (sincerity), Islam is more then words and rituals,"And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees" thats the stage every sufi struggles to reach.

If the last is "innovations" then all the above is also innovations, lets go back 1400 years and read he Quraan in bones and peices of leather and lets burn all the other books that came later , in fact lets demolish all the mosques, the prophet didn't pray in a golden house made of galsses , concerete walls and persian carpet, thats innovations that came to Islam as it matured.

My heart can take on
any form:

for gazelles a meadow,
a cloister of monks
for the idols, sacred ground,
Ka'ba for the circling pilgrim,
the tables of the Torah,
the scrolls of the Qur'an.

I profess the religion of love.
Wherever its caravan turns
along the way, that is the belief,
the faith I keep.
( Ibn Al-Rumi)

[Executive]

^

The prophet never went to North America so its bidah to live in North America.

Stop taking the piss

Don't simply transalte the word Bidah to Innovation without using its proper context. Putting the Quran in an order or praying in a Glass house or mosque does not compromise your diin.

[Hyperactive]

i dont know what you guys call salafis or who call themselves newa days salaf.
salafis dead long time wa shaba3o moot.

back to topic the word thikr came from tha ka ra which is opposite of na si ya nisyaan.
traditionally in the quran and ahaadeth thikr was thikrel Allah which is in the quran Allah made it clear is remembering Allah in every possition whatever standing, sitting or lying on their janb[left or right side]

Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (aying: "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted are You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire.

you can do thikr alone, mid of the night or any time you wish. athkor Allah fel quran kareem.

[Xaaji_Xundjuf]

Dhikr yes, Hadro no.

Walking in the street and saying "Al xamdulilaah" is Dhikr and beautiful.

Gathering in a group, spraying some perfume, and chanting poems is Hadro. It is not of the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammed (SCW).

Again, Dhikr yes, Hadro no. Learn the difference.

Dikir is nabbi amaan and allah amaan u prais your mawlana and your prophet rasuullah . Now if you do it on your own its good if you do it with a holl group there is more hasanaad there. Its like when pray alone ur on your own laakin when u pray with a hol group . you feel the strength of your imaan siida uu arag.
Give me one ayaa or hadith that says U cant Come to gether and praise allah and his messenger. Ma jirto dee.

[Xaaji_Xundjuf]

whats the point of deleting post wilku haka jawaabo suaasha its just a question
Isba suaal meesha joogin ayuu weydiye

[X.Playa]

3 jeer buu masaxay, ma odhan karo reerkaygu waxay ahaayeen Mushrikiin, so much for Somali Islam.

[Xaaji_Xundjuf]

[Hyperactive]

aderayal ama topicka ha hadla without refering or degreding any qabiil.
ama go and clan talk in other side of the forum.
deen iyo qabyalad wont be mixed.

ps: ana eli masa7t mo ohowa.

[Xaaji_Xundjuf]

anagu diinti horre islam baanu haysane eeh Nabii Maxammad , i dont know about these reborn muslims imika diinta baranaya , diintan wahabiyintu wattan wa wax cusub weyaan its Moverment maybe started in Saudi arabia.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

Dhikr yes, Hadro no.

Walking in the street and saying "Al xamdulilaah" is Dhikr and beautiful.

Gathering in a group, spraying some perfume, and chanting poems is Hadro. It is not of the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammed (SCW).

Again, Dhikr yes, Hadro no. Learn the difference.

sxb voltage ninkan waalan oo geed dheer iyo geed gaaban u fuulay in uu qiil u raadiyo adeerkiis c/yusuf ha isku daalinin inaad wax u sheektid..

wuxuu isku qaldayaa dhikr iyo hadro (kii suufiyiinta ee somalia laga yaqiinay)..
wixii suufiyiinta ay sameen jireen waa qalad sida siyaarada la aadi jiray rag iyo dumar laysla wada bood boodaayey..

[Enlightened~Sista]

The Methods of Dhikr, Remembrance of Allah


There are a number of hadiths which are directly relevent to the methods of dhikr used by various Sufi turuq. I have grouped them below, under the titles "Posture is Irrelevent to Dhikr," "Dhikr in Assembly and in a Circle," "Dhikr Saying `La ilaha illa Allah,'" "Dhikr by saying `Allah,'" and "No Limits to doing Dhikr."



Posture is Irrelevent to Dhikr


The Qur'an says in meaning:

Lo! In the creation of the Heavens and the earth and in the night and day are tokens (of His sovereignty) for men of understanding, such as remember Allah, in standing, sitting, and reclining. [Qur'an 3:190-191]

What this part of the Qur'an establishes is that posture is not important in performing dhikr - standing, sitting, or reclining. Presumably other postures are also okay, so criticisms about posture during dhikr is irrelevent.


Dhikr in Assembly and in a Circle


The following ahadith is about those Sahaba who did dhikr in assembly and in a circle, and were praised by Rasulullah (s.a.w.) for it:

Hadhrat Abu Sa`eed Khudri relates that once Hadhrat Mu`awiyah visited the mosque and saw a circle (of reciters). He asked,

"What has made you sit?"

They said, "We have assembled here to remember Allah."

He [Mu`awiyah] said, "By Allah you did not sit except for this purpose?"

They affirmed, "We did not sit except for this."

Hadhrat Mu`awiyah then told them, "I did not ask you to swear on account of any malice. None of you can match me for scanty narration of the Prophet (s.a.w.) (and as such have narrated very few traditions about him). The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) once visited a gathering of his companions and inquired,

`What has made you assemble here?'

They answered, `We have gathered to remember Allah and praise Him for having led us to Islam and granted this favour to us.'

The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) inquired, `Do you affirm by Allah that it is so?'

The Holy Prophet's Companions affirmed, `By Allah we are sitting here for this purpose only.'

He [the Prophet s.a.w.] said, `I have not put you on oath on account of any doubt, but angel Jibreel had visited me and told me that Allah felt proud of you among the angels.'"

[From Sahih Muslim, and also in the Riyadh us-Saliheen of Imam Nawawi.]

Here is another hadith, which shows the benefit of doing dhikr in assembly

Ibn `Umar reported, "The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, `When you pass by a garden of paradise, avail yourselves of it.' The Companions asked, `What are the gardens of Paradise, O Messenger of Allah?" The Prophet, peace be upon him, replied, `The assemblies of dhikr. There are some angels of Allah who go about looking for such assemblies of dhikr, and when they find them they surround them.'"

[Quoted from Fiqh us-Sunnah compiled by As-Sayyid Sabiq, vol. 4, ch. 6.]

[Enlightened~Sista]

There is also this important hadith about dhikr in general, and dhikr in an assembly:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: Allah the Almighty says:

I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better than it. And if he draws near to Me a hand's span, I draw near to him an arm's length; and if he draws near to Me an arm's length, I draw near to him a fathom's length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.

[It was related by al-Bukhari, and also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah. From "Forty Hadith Qudsi," selected and translated by Ezzeddin Ibrahim and Denys Johnson-Davies (Dar Al-Koran Al-Kareem, Lebanon, 1980), hadith no. 15.]


Doing Dhikr by saying "La ilaha illa Allah"

One of the ways of doing dhikr is by saying "La ilaha illa Allah." Here are some hadiths which mention this....

Hazrat Jabir relates that he heard the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) having said:

"The best remembrance of Allah is `La ilaha illa Allah.'"

[From Tirmidhi, also related in the Riyadh us-Saliheen of Imam Nawawi]

Another hadith about saying `La ilaha illa Allah' for dhikr is this....

Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Renew your faith." "How can we renew our faith?" they asked. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Say always, `La ilaha illa Allah'."

[From Ahmad, with a sound isnad. Quoted in Fiqh us-Sunnah compiled by as-Sayyid Sabiq, vol. 4, ch. 6.]


Doing Dhikr by saying "Allah"


Regarding using the names of Allah in dhikr, the hadith I am aware of at present regarding this topic is the following....

The Prophet said, "The Hour will not arise before `Allah, Allah' is no longer said on earth."

[Sahih Muslim]


No Limits to doing Dhikr


Now, some criticize those on the Sufi path for doing too much dhikr. However, Ibn Abbas (r.a.) is related as having said there is no limit to dhikr.

The following quote I took from the book "Fiqh us-Sunnah" by as-Sayyid Sabiq. The saying of Ibn Abbas goes....

Ali b. Abi Talha relates that Ibn Abbas said, "All obligations imposed upon man by Allah are clearly marked and one is exempted from them in the presence of a genuine cause. The only exception is the obligation of dhikr. Allah has set no specific limits for it, and under no circumstances is one allowed to be negligent of it. We are commanded to `remember Allah standing, sitting, and reclining on your sides,' [Qur'an 3:191] in the morning, during the day, at sea or on land, on journey or at home, in poverty and in prosperity, in sickness or in health, openly and secretly, and, in fact, at all times throughout one's life and in all circumstances."


Dhikr is a very blessed practice, praised in the Qur'an and hadiths.

May Allah help bring us satisfaction in our hearts through remembrance of Him.

Say: "Truly Allah leaves to stray whom He will, but He guides to Himself those who turn to Him in penitence -- Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah, for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction. [Qur'an 13:27-28]