Kismaayo.

[Voltage]

To be honest though I did take a little offense to You calling Me a 'mucaarad' to this fellow I didn't even know as if I'm just a paltalk qabqaabe for a subclan. I'm not Reer Kooshin and I'm not on Barre's payroll so I have no idea walle Why You would think that the good things this Guy could be doing for this city would get Me angry When it would actually make Me or any other Marexaan happy the city is peaceful. Remember sxb You and Sadeboi both were Pro Barre, Anti Maxaakim, Then Anti Barre, Pro Taano, the Anti TFG, Pro Shabab. After that You did an about face to the Marexaan leaders You used to idolize (Col Cabbas and others) and said they were crooks. You then tried to guise this under a "New, enlightened thinking" type thing, but in reality You were just angry this fellow (Mr Taano) was deposed by the elders and You wanted to find a Way to take shots at the Man You used to idolize (Barre) as a "I hate all warlords" type charade. This was all because of Your dispute with Warsame that made You go absolutely nuts and made You Guys confused. Then if that wasn't enough both of You got an extreme sense of paranoia to think that I have some case of cuqdad against people I don't even know, or against Marexaan subclans. This is all stuff I noticed a very long time ago but kept to myself as I didn't want to seem as if I was taking sides in You and Warsame's arguement. I'm also sure most of the Gedo section knows what made You radically shuffle Your positions with the wind. For what its worth (not much) I kept the same exact political lines I followed When I first joined the forum from day 1, and that shows that I had ideals and principles I stuck with and I didn't go on highs and lows or change My positions because somebody was deposed or promoted. Sxb You gotta fix up because this whole rural insiginigant city in a foresaken part of the world has put You in a such a extreme mental funk walle. I thought You would learn something while You're in Africa.

Murax you are bitter because I correctly labeled you as the opposition you are. The thing is I am not going to start attacking you or disrespecting you simply because you want to lead me down that path that you went. I knew you were full opposition the last time you came out of the woodwork and attacked my side, an attack mind you that was not based on understanding of the situation but rather a mere perceived loyalty, an obligation of sorts to that you deemed deserved it, Barre as chairman of the JVA which fought Morgan.

The thing is you said my "dispute with Warsame" and "Taano being deposed by the elders" made me make a u-turn.

You know what I say to that?

They did!

Warsame opened my eyes to the dirty politics played when he said, like cunug yar sir loo dhiibay oo haysan karin, that he just came from some family meeting where they analyzed REER SIYAAD AND WAGARDHAC as the rivals of Barre's plans for Kismaayo.

I said thank you to Warsame. If he was not intelligent enough to hide what he heard but instead blabbed to a forum where reer Siyaads, such as Sadeboi and I and to some extent Advo who doesn't get into politics, were members then I was intelligent enough to take what I heard and do my own research. That became the first time in my life I ever looked at Barre Hiiraale and everything surrounding him with objective lens rather than biased, loyal eyes.

I did my research and in the end XoogSade is right here and can proof when he admitted everything I brought including who was behind the murders of the Harti wadaado, why they were murdered, who murdered them and ran out of Kismaayo as well as who planned the murder, how Abdirizaaq Taano was opposed, the bribes that were paid, and WHY they were paid.

Marka sxb, with all due respect, nacnacdaadaa iyo your lack of understanding of the reality that has been happening anigu hada wakhtiga kuma dhuminayo.

You picked a side not based on intelligence and logic but mere perceived obligation to loyalty. So booska hayso and be the opposition you are. Just don't take cheap shots at things beyond your understanding at this moment.

Warsame-

You are also much older than I, don't trivialize the discussion. I do not have a single first family in Somalia except two young abtis in Beled-Xaawo, I never lied about that.

The discussion as usual turns to you changing the topic about the fact every single thing and nacnac you have been writing about is the falsehood I labeled it as such. I think I have become patient because of this forum. Now I understand there is nothing better than time when you want to proof something and I will continue to proof every single thing you used to bring here that I labeled as false is indeed false, despite the fact you found a receptive audience with the majority unaware kids in this place.

Anigu waxaan la yaabanahay, ceeba kuma karto. If I had been embarrassed as much as you had, I would never show my face here again yet you can't help yourself after every time I taunt you with the aim of bringing you out. Alla maxaad i necebtahay


Xoogsade

Waan ku salaamay adeer

[Warsame101]

Insertion of large font letters, name qarxis, venting insults and re-iteration of the same old lines. What does that tell you? no etiquette (akhlaaq) what so ever.

Look at them ganging up on Murax for speaking his mind. 'You are part of the opposition' what opposition?, 'You are Barre lover' inaa lilaahi, and stop repeating the age line to justify your intellectual dishonesty, I am only a few years older than you kids.

The fact that I do not even care what kind of accusations you level at me says enough. You can make up 100 of accusations in an attempt to get me to reply to you and legitimize you.

Good thing that your kutiri-kuteens are confined to the walls of Somalinet.

And finally, leave the affairs of Kismaayo to reer Kismaayo and enjoy your Somali holiday in Kenya

[Voltage]

Don't stutter sxb, I take that as you putting up the white flag. Even when putting up the white flag though, you still want to go down fighting. Mucjiso, accusing me of things that you personify. When a person lies so blatently and infront of people he knows they know he is lying...well that's called no self-dignity at all.

What rumors have I brought? The rumors confined to Somalinet's walls are those you grew infamous for such as committees would have been declared July 1st and other baloney that time has proven them to be exactly what I labeled them...false

Mucjiso indeed


p.s. Nobody ganged up on Murax, he addressed both Sadeboi and I personally and we both gave a response. However we respond to Murax, he has self-dignity...something you need to learn from him.

[Warsame101]

White flag,

Ever heard of the proverb, never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Prior to somalinet, I used to debate with students of knowledge (Taalibul Cilm) and non-Muslims from academic backgrounds, who actually knew how to engage in fallacy-free debates.

It was an unwritten rule that anyone who introduced a fallacy or failed to provide an substantial foundation to his assertion or allegation was to be ignored, simple as that. And here you have some kids trying to force me in to name-qarxising, insults, unfounded accusations assertions and gossips.

What made some of these kids engage in qarxis other than the fact that by "exposing", they presumed it would force me to leave the forums.

Clearly saaxib we are not on the same level and we will never be

Finally, the executive committee has already been set-up days ago , but given the fact that you do not have a single connection in Kismaayo, how would you know? which re-inforces the fact that you only get your info from rumour mongers or on some occassion, your grandmother.

[Voltage]

The irony is everything you wrote about me there are descriptions I had already written of you.

If I was not known in this forum, then you accuse me of being an i.diot, being less educated, not backing up what I say, etc but the fact of the matter is I am known in this forum. I am not an individual who just logged in and needs to be analyzed for the rest of the forumers.

No my friend, you are walking around like a headless chicken because I have found out exactly who you are. Just come out of the closet and admit it.

Look at hypocritical description you gave of me:

And here you have some kids trying to force me in to name-qarxising, insults, unfounded accusations assertions and gossips.

This is why I said you have no self-dignity at all. Maba xishootid.

1. Who was the first person who tried to do name qarxis and in fact continuously wrote what he believed to be my identity? My, how short are memories!

2. Who insulted who first and used my previous entertainment posts and little innuendos written by individuals who had come to despise me because of my Mareexaanimo against me? My, how short are memories!

3. Who was the first person who partook in unfounded accusations when I responded to your little summarization of your family meeting and accused me of being "jealous" about reer Shire or whoever? My, how short are memories!

3. Who was the first person to bring little family gossip concerning how they view reer hebel and reer hebel, people who had people on this very forum! My, how short are memories!

Stop crying now that the chickens have come home to roost. If, however it bugs you that much I have found out who you in fact are then I will go back and edit my posts. I am here to debase your falsehood not make you personally uncomfortable.

Don't, however, ever try to lie through your teeth or reinvent history because there is a record here that is not shaped by the whims of individuals such as yourself or myself for that matter.

p.s. lol @ committee. Couple days ago there was a little meeting here in Nairobi oo lagu kala qabtay when certain people said Faarax Taano meesha halaga tuuro and we are building Jubbaland with this reer Ugaas Shermaake as president. Gacan baa laysku tagat wallahi. Waxaas baad ka mid tahay, waxaan macno lahayn.

The lower Jubba is in good hands. Everyone else is a shacab. A year from now we will go back to this record and quote it.

I don't see any reason arguing with you about the reality. Things I have debated heatedly with you about last August are now the unflinching fact simply because time proved it. Time will prove you to be the uninformed, wishful, liar you are.

[Warsame101]

thinking that having the last post constitutes that you are correct is itself a logical fallacy.

I have already said what I had to say in my previous posts. Some people on this forum tend to discuss about affairs that are outside their sphere of knowledge.

I have discredited you time on time again but some people never learn. Adeer, you can go have the last post if you feel that it will boost your internet ego with your latest insults.

Like I said, we are not on the same level and we will never be.

[Voltage]

Then don't come back again and dare entertain the though writing the last post makes you correct.

[Murax]

Voltage/Sadeboi,

Sxb do You really think I would hide My political position or opposition to any induvidul if I did have it? In My history on this forum I never backed down or supressed My views and You know full well How I dragged someone like Massale through the gutter everyday not giving a damn how anybody feels about Him. However if it will make You feel better to believe that I'm qaraar about this Taano fellow controlling Kismaayo then feel free. Just know that I never flipflopped my positions nor never held anything back, nor changed My positions on certain people in Marexaan politics based on someone I ran into on the internet. If I had a beef with this Taano fellow I would have made it clear a very long time ago.

[Advo]

Warsame/Murax/Qansa: The most anti Siyadist alive....Insha'allah advo will put a bounty on u lot once I win the lottery.

Xoogsade, SDM, Gedoboy: The least Anti Siyadist, adinka gabdho baan nisiiyey ee soo doonta!

My 2 cent.!

[xoogSADE14]

lool @ Advo

Igu halee sxb.

WG & Volt

Nimanyahow makala daashaan miyaa?

SB

Oo hada bal maxaad Kornelka Sare ku caayday?

[sadeboi]

Voltage/Sadeboi,

Sxb do You really think I would hide My political position or opposition to any induvidul if I did have it? In My history on this forum I never backed down or supressed My views and You know full well How I dragged someone like Massale through the gutter everyday not giving a damn how anybody feels about Him. However if it will make You feel better to believe that I'm qaraar about this Taano fellow controlling Kismaayo then feel free. Just know that I never flipflopped my positions nor never held anything back, nor changed My positions on certain people in Marexaan politics based on someone I ran into on the internet. If I had a beef with this Taano fellow I would have made it clear a very long time ago.

Listen to me kid, if you don't like Taano or not it won't change anything in the ground. In previous conversations we did have whether public or private you've never clearly stated your positions on this matter, yet always through some underline messages. We both know it and everyone can see it, are you not the man who wrote to "If Barre wants he can get ethiopians and throw anyone who opposes him the ocean" and I replied "whoever Barre can do that ha ku sameeyo, qofki awood xun ha la arko." Statements like these and more you stated. AND YOU HAVE NEVER MENTIONED REASONS FOR YOUR STANCE, you say you support Barre for what he did yet you speak ill of Massalle for the same thing. Maybe this has to do with your reer-abti side, maybe adeer cirro feels like his power was taken from him by reer-siyaad, and that massale "fought with reer-ugaas sharmarke." Either way you have no basis for your arguments other then ugaas-sharmakre oriented thinking. The reasons why I oppose Barre is because he is an opportunist jahil who thought he had some god-given right to rule Kismayo, who, after af-guduud was kicked out by Marexaans and some governance was set up, started inter-marexaan quarrel, assassinations, and so forth. When his cousin on this started to talk ill about reer-siyaad he was put in his place.

As for the delusional warsame, you are a 30 year old man and you live on live on mere fantasies of a Jubbaland set up by Barre, where is the July 1st announcement, where is Taano camp being kicked out, where are the xildhibano who are going to set up such a administration, ahmed warsame left and the other xildhibaans are going to live, where is the "guddi" that was assigned? All these false accusations you have been uttering on here day in and out have all come out to the light through time. You stated your runt and bitterness since AUGUST 2007 today its one year later.

[Voltage]

Murax, such animosity. The fact is sxb I never denied I changed my thinking, I never denied that and I never denied what you postulated was the process in which I changed. However, I did reiterate why that change came about and if you chose to skip over my reiteration for what I smell is political expediency, then that is you skipping over what you well know are my reasons but instead focusing on the effect, which reeks of...animosity. I would have though there was enough respect between us for you to grant me that right, but since you chose not to...macno ma leh sxb, I'm not shedding any tears. You just spilt what was in your gut all this long so why become bitter if I say you are the opposition? You are what you are sxb, don't keep stuck on "you changed your position". Million people change their positions everyday sxb haduu wax ku saacido.

If I like chocolate today but then find out chocolate causes cancer tomorrow, I will change my position about chocolate. Because you stuck to chocolate doesn't mean you stuck to your "principles" rather it means you are just uninformed. Marka sxb haku taagnaan I changed my positions, Yes I did and I admit I did when I did my research and opened my eyes. Adigu don't deny you are opposition by your own reckoning.


Xoogsade, naqashka ayaan Warsame ka furayaa. What's wrong with that?

[CoolPoisoninthisbijj]

Mad_Dogg and sadegirl stop the focking fitna. im the only 1 who can make fitna topics.

Barre Hirale

Murax, Mad_Dogg changes shirts every week

Ali Husein

Rer Dini except Ugas Shermake

[Voltage]

Candho qoyane waa tan. If I change shirts every week why did I not change the position I reached last August, exactly a year ago? Meesha ka tag doqonkiiyoo

[Murax]

Voltage/Sadeboi, read carefully because You're not comprehending what I'm saying.


Again since I had consistant sound principles I never strayed from I said from the getgo that I supported Barre, Ahmed Warsame, Kaanti and Mataan in their inititive since it seemed to Me that there were no other Marexaan politicians that carried the political weight within the clan to get something like a Jubbaland done. That and the fact that I didn't hear any other Marexaan politican ever mention Jubbaland. I'm Reer Cali Xusayn these two people You're talking about are Reer Kooshin and Reer Siyaad. Makes absolutely no difference to Me, and I nor My family would get payouts from Barre if He were to assume control. My political opinion was always based on what was best for Marexaan not My particular subclan. That being said bring Me one post Where I villfied Taano. Does supporting Barre make You Anti Taano? What I said is that this Guy was a nobody in Marexaan politics before 2006 so whether He's good or Bad I can't say either way yet You want Me to jump and say He's great and I love Him just because You do out of Your online dispute? When I saw that this Jubbaland qorsho ee socon weysay, I stopped mentioning Kismaayo and didn't talk about it for weeks as well as Somali politics except for the Gedo maamul. While I've been quiet about this and You and Warsame were continuing to quarrel You just dragged Me into it and pitted Me to a side which You're right did irk Me a little bit because You tried to paint Me as a coffeshop qabqabe for Barre Hiiraale inparticular not a qabqabe for Marexaan, and You tried to make it look like My happiness and distress comes from whether Barre is in power or not like it is with You Guys and Taano.



It was after You did this that I did point out the hypocracy of You and Sadeboi making Your "Pro Muqaawama, Anti Cabbas, Anti Warlord" stance look like a Spirtual Reawakening When it was the fact that You Guys were qaraar and bitter some dude was removed from leadership in the city. I noticed this way, way back but kept quiet out of respect. The only reason I mentioned it was out of defense of Myself When You lied against Me saying I feel qaraar and upset. Wallahi the only reason I told You to go to Kismaayo was to take pictures So this city We always talk about can be seen by all of us since pics on the net are scarce. That and the audacity of You guys calling Me "qaraar" When You Guys have oscilated between qaraar and extacy for months based on Whether Taano was the head of a Guddi or not.


"Maybe this has to do with your reer-abti side, maybe adeer cirro feels like his power was taken from him by reer-siyaad, and that massale "fought with reer-ugaas sharmarke." Either way you have no basis for your arguments other then ugaas-sharmakre oriented thinking."

Sadeboi, no offense sxb but this could be the funniest xaar I've ever seen in Gedo section and You're even giving a Guy like Raadmiir a run for His money. At least challenge My viewpoints and rational like Voltage and leave all the emotional qabil banter because You're not even making sense.