Beesha Sade on Snet..WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THE K SITUATION

[sadeboi]

Even plain english proves to be difficult for them.

Ignoramus = An ignorant individual

Listen, the English language nor even Somali are languages that one can ridicule me of. and dare say I lack knowledge of it. My kind gestures towards you and others has made you get on high horse you do not deserve. You called wadaado jahiiliin, when they are not, waa aflagaado. And Barre's vision never included nor mentioned governing the populace by the Islamic law, something these "jahiliin" wadaado have uttered. Yes, some wish to use their might and use religion to get further, but waa small minority. Why would abu-mansuur oo raxanweyn ah care about Taano or Barre or Yasiin nuur gaas, or Kablalax-SADE struggle of Kismayo. So before you just open your mouth kindly think of your words.

A bunch of takfiris with their perplexed ideologies and no certain grasp of the sciences and foundation of Shareeca.

And you support a person/people who grasps the sciences and foundation of Shareecada right? Do you read what you write?

Close to 200 Muslims died in Kismaayo, Muslim blood has already been split and now this kid wants to accuse me of wishing death for cuplrits.

Again, its ramadan, Barre and his group attacked those Marexaan wadaado, do not make it seem like those wadaado pre-planned this (Col.Warfaa shiekh even utter on BBC, it was something unplanned/unexpected).

The problem with you kids is that any fool who chants a couple of takbir, you automatically reconigze him as a Mujtahiid sent to revive the religion. Don't worry, it is not only you, majority of the ignoramuses are duped this way.

If this was the case, Indhacade would be my mahdi

No one can Islaamically justify what happend in Kismaayo, no one.

There was no Islamic-gaalo battle that happened, both sides were Muslims, and it was an unfortunate event that happened. No can justify it Islamically, and it should have been prevented, but it happened.


Murax, no one declared jihad, does wadaado did not attack Barre and his fighters and said they were fighting Jihad, the battle was something that happened. Tan kale, ka fiirso waxaad ka sheegeysid dadka.

[Murax]

Jihad, the battle was something that happened. Tan kale, ka fiirso waxaad ka sheegeysid dadka.

First of all I didn't mention anybody by name. The only people who would get offended at that talk are the people who are actually doing what I said in the first place.


Second You don't know Abu Mansur, You don't know what His motive is, and You cannot make taskiyyah (Purification) or Shafaacah (Testification) for Him based on the mere fact that He's not Kablalax or SADE so He must be doing this for deen. What is in His heart, and what His intention is, is known to Allah only and its not for You to make khiyaas on His character. Ofcoruse with the Muslims We always assume good, however that doesn't Mean You make declarative statements and shafaacah. Btw, I'm not sure Where His name even came up as I have not mentioned His name and I didn't see anybody else do so. We were talking about the oppritunists, and the people with weak undestanding of the Religion (Takfiris) who are in the midst of these groups as I've seen them with My own very eyes.


Now about Itixaad, Shabab, ICU etc. Saaxib You have no place to question Me about them, because I know them inside out and had lost about 15 immidiete family for their cause. I know their manhaj, and I know they have plenty of takfiris in their midst who believe that the blood of a Muslim can be made xalaal, and You can make Jihad against another Muslim. Furthormore, many of them believe in suicide bombings, roadside bombs in crowed areas both of which are xaraam according to the major scholars of Ahlus Sunnah.

[snoop123]

well around 200 people cant posibly die for no reason, so can you clarify when you say it was something that just happened.

most of us know/think it wasn't Al-shabab who ambushed barre hiiraale, right.

Who was it then?, can someone explain. Someone most be held accountable for the death of 200 or so muslims in a matter of days.

if it was not for Al-shabab, genocide would probaly had taken place.

[sadeboi]

Second You don't know Abu Mansur, You don't know what His motive is, and You cannot make taskiyyah (Purification) or Shafaacah (Testification) for Him based on the mere fact that He's not Kablalax or SADE so He must be doing this for deen. What is in His heart, and what His intention is, is known to Allah only and its not for You to make khiyaas on His character.

Again, do you read what you write?

In your last post, you have characterized all the wadaado in Kismayo in a negative light, a bunch of opportunist, takfiris, and jihad dwellers who just wanted to kill. Do you know any of them personally in Kismayo? Have you went there and seen how they act or any of that sort? His actions are somewhat evidence of his willingness to do good by Allah, lakiin Allahucalem. BTW, it was a comment directed at warsame!

I'm not saying they are all good pure hearted people who all want to do right in allah eyes, they are people amongst them like that. But what I was talking about is the cause of the battle that happened, it was not some battle orchestrated by takfiris and men who wanted to participate in Jihad, and try to paint it that way is wrong. Wadaado reer-Kismaayo ah, oo isku heyb yahiin Barre, were doing some cleaning up of isbaaro and so forth, and Barres camp attacked them. They defended themselves, and then all these other Islamic groups entered the city.

Now, murax, if your speaking of Taano and so forth, I don't recall hearing Taano saying he is fighting a jihad, nor did Taano participate in those battles.

[Murax]

Second You don't know Abu Mansur, You don't know what His motive is, and You cannot make taskiyyah (Purification) or Shafaacah (Testification) for Him based on the mere fact that He's not Kablalax or SADE so He must be doing this for deen. What is in His heart, and what His intention is, is known to Allah only and its not for You to make khiyaas on His character.

Again, do you read what you write?

In your last post, you have characterized the wadaado in Kismayo all in a negative light, a bunch of opportunist, takfiris, and jihad dwellers who just wanted to kill. Do you know any of them personally in Kismayo? Have you went there and seen how they act or any of that sort? His actions are somewhat evidence of his willingness to do good by Allah, lakiin Allahucalem..

Again, the statement I made about Kismaayo is similar to statements I make about Xamar. The Man in Xamar who's home is invaded and is defending His wife, house, family, honour from gaalo is in Jihad. However the one who shoots a low level district commissioner, the one who is fighting for TFG representation, the one who is fighting for qabil is not in Jihad, so its releative. There are cases of Jihad and cases of non Jihad so can one say what is happening in Xamar is Jihad? No, but there are certainly cases Where one is in it, defending His honour.

As for Kismaayo all affected parties are Muslim, so off the bat this is a battle of fitan (Trials and tribulations). Secondly no, I don't know who these wadaado are, but as somebody who knows the manhaj of Itixaad, ICU, Shabab etc. I can say that their manhaj is such because they made it clear over and over again and the people who claim to be part of that group ofcourse share that same manhaj, fahamtu?

[xoogSADE14]

War nimanyahow waxba soonkiina ha'iska qasaarinina arrintaan ayadaa iska dhamaan doontee.

Ramadaan Kariim dhamaan.

[Warsame101]

Murax, ciyaalkan yar yar think everyone shares their same ignoramus mindset when it is about the Diin.

Do not insult our intelligence, I could write a whole report with citations of both the principles of the Diin including carabic verbatim quotations from the major scholars of the last 1400 years but I do not.

Why, what happend in Kismaayo was clear-cut injustice, only fools would argue otherwise.

The reason why I replied is to answer revelant question. According to SB, he said Barre never ruled with the Shareeca? Since when did Kismaayo or its neighbouring surroundings ever became a region where the dia was forbidden, Islaamic prayers prohibited, etc. This kid assumes Islaamic Shareeca is equal to Islaamic courts.

Moreover, Mareexaan Reer Kismaayo as a clan had already decided to instill a Islamic Court in Kismaayo circa 2004 during Barre's rule.

Maxkamadda Islaamiga ah ee Shareecada Islaamka ayaa waxaa maanta laga furay magaalada Kismaayo ka dib markii muddo badan la waday hawlaheedii diyaarinta, iyada oo ay wada aqbaleen dhammaan beesha Sade.

Maxkamaddaan oo leh ciidan tiradiisu ay dhan tahay 114 lala ekaysiiyay caddadka quraanka kariimka ah ayaa waxaa guddoomiye maxkamadeed loogu doortay Sheekh Maxamed Cali Facaye, guddoomiye ku xigeenna waxaa loogu doortay Sheekh Maxamed Aadan Cabdulle, waxa kale oo ay maxkamaddu leedahay laba qaybood oo xukunka madaniga iyo xukunka ciqaabta kala ah waxaana loo sameeyay min saddex xubnood oo labadaas qaybood ka wada shaqeyn doona.

Maxkamaddaan ayaa waxaa la shaqeyn doona guddi ka kooban 13 xubnood oo beesha Sade ah, waxana ay hawl galkeeda billaabaysaa maalinta berri ah ee ay bishan Juun tahay 9ka.

Furitaankii maxkamaddaan Shareecada Islaamka ayaa waxaa ka soo qayb galay dadweyne aad u tira badan oo taageersan furitaanka maxkamaddaan, guddoomiyaha isbahaysiga dooxada Jubba col. Barre Hiiraale, Ugaaska beesha Sade Ugaas Cumar Ugaas Xirsi iyo xildhibaanno ka tirsanaa dowladdii Cabdiqaasim oo uu ka mid yahay Xildhibaan Cabdiraxmaan Yuusuf Indhabuur iyo xildhibaan Axmed Cibaad Bulxan, iyo wasiirudowlaha wasaaradda qorsheynta qaranka ee dowlada ku meel gaarka ah Cabdi Shire Warsame.

Dhammaan xubnihii ka hadlay xafladdaasna waxay ku dheeraadeen in la taageero maxkamaddaan iyo in loo dhega nuglaado hawl galkeeda.

Col Barre Hiiraale oo ka hadlay munaasabaddaas furitaanka ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in uu taageero buuxda siin doono maxkamaddaan islaamiga ah isla markaasna loo baahan yahay in qof walba uu taageero buuxda siiyo maxkamaddan.

Guud ahaan jewigii furitaanka ee maxkamadda ayaa waxaa uu u dhacay si heer sarreysa, waxana muuqatay yididiilo weyn oo loo hayo in ay wax qabsoomaan.

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[Advo]

War nimanyahow waxba soonkiina ha'iska qasaarinina arrintaan ayadaa iska dhamaan doontee.

Ramadaan Kariim dhamaan.

^Exactly.


Btw, I dont now much about kismaayo situation, and there's too many conflicting stories going around and the only correct one is time, just wait and see, in the meantime, soonkiina ilaaliya.

[Warsame101]

Btw, I dont now much about kismaayo situation, and there's too many conflicting stories going around and the only correct one is time, just wait and see, in the meantime, soonkiina ilaaliya.

You got to be kidding me

[QansaGabeyle]

Sadeboi, do you still support Ina Xaaji Massalle? Your hypocrisy is too much man.

[Murax]

Aniga qofne ma caayin, and I didn't attack anybody, and I never mentinoed names or even mentioned somebody subliminally.

I know the manhaj of Itixaad,Shabab, ICU etc very, very well and to certainity, and I know that it conflicts with the caqeedah and manhaj of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaacah. I'm not Here to attack any induvidual. Waxaan ka hadlaayo waa diin.


Ilahay ummada Islaamka ha badbaadiyo.

[Warsame101]

Horta, is Ramadan for some equal to Christian's Sunday where they observe Christian values on that particular day and neglect it the other days

Ramadan is not the Christian's Sunday, one cannot act all pious on that particular month and neglect the Islamic values on the rest of the months.

[Advo]

Btw, I dont now much about kismaayo situation, and there's too many conflicting stories going around and the only correct one is time, just wait and see, in the meantime, soonkiina ilaaliya.

You got to be kidding me

In and out of somalinet, I am hearing new stuff almost everyday. I came to the conclusion, that even people in kismaayo dont really know whats going on. Marka lets just wait and see.

[Warsame101]

I heard in Kismaayo some of the so called "wadaado" who were fighting said "The dead among us are shuhadaa", Subxanallah, So if there Shahiid, are the people they were fighting against Gaalo?

la xawla wala quwata ila bilaah, I have heard that they even buried their fighters according to the status of Shahiid and burried them how they died without the kafan.

Sheekh Maxamuud Macaalin Nuur spoke about this:

Sheekha oo arrintaan si aad iyo aad u faahfaahsan ooga hadlay qudbadii salaadda jimcihii ayaa caddeeyay in dagaalkii kismaayo uusan sinaba jihaad u ahayn.

Sheekh Maxamuud oo ka mid ah culumada Soomaalida kuwa ugu aqoonta badan ayaa sheegay in waxa kismaayo ka dhacay ay tahay in culumadu aysan ka aamusin ee ay sida waafaqsan sharciga islaamka uga hadlaan.

Sheekh Maxamuud ayaa caddeeyay in uusan daalka kismaayo ahayn dagaal islaami ah ama jihaad ah. Sidaas darteedna aan dadka la leeyahay waa shahiideen ama shahaaday heleen oo la xabaalay ayagoon lagu tukan salaadda jinaasada ay tahay in ay eheladoodu qabuuraha dib uga soo saaraan oo si fiican loo kafno kadibna salaadda jinaasada lagu tukado.

Arrintaan ayaa waxay nasteexo u tahay kuwa dagaalka kismaayo lagu soo khalday oo lagu yiri dagaal jihaad ah ayaan galaynaa oo sidaas darteed dagaal khalad ah ku galay, kuna dhibaateeyay dad muslim ah oo guryahoodii nabad ku jooga isla markaasna ay cafis weydiistaan una toobad keenaan Alle(SW).

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[Murax]

[quote="Warsame101I have heard that they even buried their fighters according to the status of Shahiid and burried them how they died without the kafan.

Sheekh Maxamuud Macaalin Nuur spoke about this:

Sheekha oo arrintaan si aad iyo aad u faahfaahsan ooga hadlay qudbadii salaadda jimcihii ayaa caddeeyay in dagaalkii kismaayo uusan sinaba jihaad u ahayn.

Sheekh Maxamuud oo ka mid ah culumada Soomaalida kuwa ugu aqoonta badan ayaa sheegay in waxa kismaayo ka dhacay ay tahay in culumadu aysan ka aamusin ee ay sida waafaqsan sharciga islaamka uga hadlaan.

Sheekh Maxamuud ayaa caddeeyay in uusan daalka kismaayo ahayn dagaal islaami ah ama jihaad ah. Sidaas darteedna aan dadka la leeyahay waa shahiideen ama shahaaday heleen oo la xabaalay ayagoon lagu tukan salaadda jinaasada ay tahay in ay eheladoodu qabuuraha dib uga soo saaraan oo si fiican loo kafno kadibna salaadda jinaasada lagu tukado.

Arrintaan ayaa waxay nasteexo u tahay kuwa dagaalka kismaayo lagu soo khalday oo lagu yiri dagaal jihaad ah ayaan galaynaa oo sidaas darteed dagaal khalad ah ku galay, kuna dhibaateeyay dad muslim ah oo guryahoodii nabad ku jooga isla markaasna ay cafis weydiistaan una toobad keenaan Alle(SW).

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Subxanallah.

The scholars of Ahlus Sunnah have warned us against the devient takfiris and modern day khawaarij. Everybody oo cilmi leh, oo aqoon leh knows whats going on with these movements and how they are devient, and many of the culemaa have spoken out about it, namely Sh Cabdullahi Barawaai, Sh Cabdikareem Xoosh, Macalin Nuur and others. These people are in Kismaayo, there in Baardheere, there all over Somalia. Btw, I am just talking about the good intentioned people who have the wrong understanding of the deen.
The oppritunists who actually use the Religion for a political tools are another case altogether, and again may they get what they deserve.


These people who claimed Shabab, opened fire and besieged a scholar in Baardheere and His congegration by the name of Cabdicasis Aaaden Uurur because He spoke out against the devient practices of the qaadiriyyah sect. A perfect illustration of jaahils doing ca'maal without knowledge.

Imam Bukhaari RH said "The door of knowledge comes before speech and action"

Many of these Guys don't have knowledge yet want to do Islamic work.