BEING IN AFRICA HAS SHOWN ME THE PROBLEM WITH....

[Somaliweyn]

The reality on the ground truely opens the eyes of people.

Welcome back man...and welcome into the real world of Somalis: ignorant and arrogant, the worst combination.

But the old generation will die out soon, their views and mentality is already plain dead. Lets hope the next generation of Somalis will introduce new idea's and ways of conduct to the ''independent-minded, arrogant, fierce nomad'' (read ignorant and arrogant poor men)

[Voltage]

''independent-minded, arrogant, fierce nomad'' (read ignorant and arrogant poor men)

5 thumbs up wallahi!

Rageedi!

You have summed it in the simple terms I couldn't!

Ignorant and Arrogant!

The Somali!

[Voltage]

I don't know about you but am proud that God has made me somali, you people from amongst a proud people is indeed a privilege

proud of what being geeljire somali = nomad being Cammel thief makes you proud war dunnidu iyo calaamku waxay ku faanta dhaqaalo kordhay iyo daarro cad cad uu cirka ghaadhay la dhisto lugu ma faano caanaha ayaan maalii jiiray that is somali ummadu yanay kula yaabin

If you think like this then why are you the typical Somali?

[The_Emperior5]

If you think like this then why are you the typical Somali?

i am not voltage sxb i think hormar lugu ma ghaadho hawya alle hawya alle singin that in hawd in qarnigan u have to do better then that waxanaad mooda somalidu inanay qarnigan ku fiicnayn inay ku nooladan , Laakin i am kabadhe iidoor.
i will survive either way lool

[Voltage]

If you think like this then why are you the typical Somali?

i am not voltage sxb i think hormar lugu ma ghaadho hawya alle hawya alle singin that in hawd in qarnigan u have to do better then that waxanaad mooda somalidu inanay qarnigan ku fiicnayn inay ku nooladan , Laakin i am kabadhe iidoor.
i will survive either way lool

Your last statement waxay i tusaysaa inaad typical Somali tahay. Sxb anigu hada ka bacdi qabiil waligey wax ka doonan maayo, siyaasada Soomaaliya (or lack of) ayudana waligey faro gelin maayo.

It is pointless, sacadaydaa iyo gashto kabahana xirto ayaan aduunka civilizedka raaci. Nabad galyo!

[The_Emperior5]

Your last statement waxay i tusaysaa inaad typical Somali tahay. Sxb anigu hada ka bacdi qabiil waligey wax ka doonan maayo, siyaasada Soomaaliya (or lack of) ayudana waligey faro gelin maayo.

It is pointless, sacadaydaa iyo gashto kabahana xirto ayaan aduunka civilizedka raaci. Nabad galyo!

waliga civilized ka doontiid noqo dadkaga uun haka hadhin jeberti iyo merexaan baad uu maqantahay ama proffesor noqo ama maskaxdu ha ku cuslaato cilmi ahaan , laakin never forget your people

[Ka darag]

You're a bit late...

[Voltage]

Your last statement waxay i tusaysaa inaad typical Somali tahay. Sxb anigu hada ka bacdi qabiil waligey wax ka doonan maayo, siyaasada Soomaaliya (or lack of) ayudana waligey faro gelin maayo.

It is pointless, sacadaydaa iyo gashto kabahana xirto ayaan aduunka civilizedka raaci. Nabad galyo!

waliga civilized ka doontiid noqo dadkaga uun haka hadhin jeberti iyo merexaan baad uu maqantahay ama proffesor noqo ama maskaxdu ha ku cuslaato cilmi ahaan , laakin never forget your people

Forget? Never sxb!

I recently read something Samatr wrote that I will never forget waxuu yiri "hadaad Soomaaliya rabtid inaad caawisid, siyaasadeeda iska daa, masaakiinta caawi!".

Mareexaan iyo Jeberti uma maqni sxb, Somaliyoo dhan yaan u maqnahay and I will never forget it!

[Aliyah99]

I agree 100% it sounds like you are maturing and making up your own mind on things rather than the fairy tales and false pride instilled in all of us by our parents

emporer,

If our forefathers submitted to the British properly then we would have got all the infrustructure, institutions and systems that kenya and other commonwealth countries enjoy today. We are paying the price for their arrogance today.

[sadeboi]

If our forefathers submitted to the British properly then we would have got all the infrustructure, institutions and systems that kenya and other commonwealth countries enjoy today. We are paying the price for their arrogance today.

I don't think that is what he means.

NOR WOULD I EVER WANT SUCH A THING TO HAVE HAPPENED.



We would've had such infrastructure, institutes, and other systems and had it much more then any African country in the 80's, but we ruined our country, submitting to foreign gaalo rule DOES NOT hold the keys to a prosperous country.

[Voltage]

Iemporer,

If our forefathers submitted to the British properly then we would have got all the infrustructure, institutions and systems that kenya and other commonwealth countries enjoy today. We are paying the price for their arrogance today.

No, that is NOT what I meant.

I meant if our people had a history of centralized governance which facilitates respect for government or ANY form of higher system for that matter, then we would be much better off then we are now.

I used colonialism to show what prevented us from being colonized IRONICALLY hampers our ability to join the civilized world which is our nomadic, arrogant culture.

If we were like the British who have always lived under a centralized system (monarchy as in King Henry, Queen Victoria), our culture would be HOSPITABLE for modern life where STATES and centralized governance are the NORM.

Also if we were like Bantu Africans who have always lived under centralized systems whether in village or regional level, our culture would be HOSPITABLE for modern life where STATES and centralized governance are the NORM.

Also if we were like the Ethiopians who have always lived under a centralized system (the king or queen and their administration functioning until Emporer Haile Salassie), then also our culture would be HOSPITABLE for modern life where STATES and centralized governance are the NORM.

Those are all examples for the fact we Somalis do NOT have a history of centralized rule and so our people never developed the benefits of governance as well as RESPECT for working institutions, professional skills (imagine we even make fun of professional skills call them "tumaal" and "kabo-shaagle"), central government, and our cultural behavioral system would be a replica of what is truly considered "civilized". The exact reason for my lamentation this topic, i.e the fact I have not observed what is truly considered universally "civilized" in my time here in Africa among my people.

So to clarify my point, I only used colonialism to show IRONICALLY what helpes us to stay relatively more free then other Africans is the reason we are stateless today!

Arrogant, Ignorant, no respect for law and order, and just plain difficult to govern...whether for the colonialists or any form of centralized system, or even our own ability to organize and govern ourselves.

Now do you get it?

Even in Islam, Allah has said "a bad leader is better then no leader" which proves my point which is central organization and central government is KEY to human advancement and civlization!

Somali do not have a history of central organization or central government and this is our obstacle today!

For our people, throughout history, it is the NORM to be as we are today...disorganized, law-less, state-less, and anarchic and not expressing the skills and cultural behavioral system of a GOVERNED society.

All the things shunned in the civilized, modern world we live in today and what is the cause of my lamentation in this present time.

Do you get my point?

[Aliyah99]

off course I get the point

my comment was for emporer and was about how the Brits built up their other colonies and due to the characteristics of somalis you mentioned in this topic we got practically nothing!

[Voltage]

off course I get the point

my comment was for emporer and was about how the Brits built up their other colonies and due to the characteristics of somalis you mentioned in this topic we got practically nothing!

Anything about what the British or any other colonists did/did not do for their colonies is really beside the point for this topic.

The whole colonialism thing, I mentioned to show what made Somalis resist affectively disappoints me now because it is an obstacle to us today.

Remember many other peoples effectively resisted based on political/economic reasons but what made the Somalis resist (which is their refusal to come under any organized system) is ironically what keeps us uncivilized, and backward in this modern eras.

Anything else about colonialism or what the colonists did or did not do is beside the point.

[Aliyah99]

off course I get the point

my comment was for emporer and was about how the Brits built up their other colonies and due to the characteristics of somalis you mentioned in this topic we got practically nothing!

Anything about what the British or any other colonists did/did not do for their colonies is really beside the point for this topic.

The whole colonialism thing, I mentioned to show what made Somalis resist affectively disappoints me now because it is an obstacle to us today.

Remember many other peoples effectively resisted based on political/economic reasons but what made the Somalis resist (which is their refusal to come under any organized system) is ironically what keeps us uncivilized, and backward in this modern eras.

Anything else about colonialism or what the colonists did or did not do is beside the point.

Ok so I did not stick rigidly to the topic, can people not have a train of thought?

[Voltage]

off course I get the point

my comment was for emporer and was about how the Brits built up their other colonies and due to the characteristics of somalis you mentioned in this topic we got practically nothing!

Anything about what the British or any other colonists did/did not do for their colonies is really beside the point for this topic.

The whole colonialism thing, I mentioned to show what made Somalis resist affectively disappoints me now because it is an obstacle to us today.

Remember many other peoples effectively resisted based on political/economic reasons but what made the Somalis resist (which is their refusal to come under any organized system) is ironically what keeps us uncivilized, and backward in this modern eras.

Anything else about colonialism or what the colonists did or did not do is beside the point.

Ok so I did not stick rigidly to the topic, can people not have a train of thought?

Aliyah, is my tone condescending or disapproving? I meant to make you fully understand what I was saying. Of course you can have a train of thought. There is no reason aad u xanaaqdid walaal.