Very Important Issue about Zakatul Fitr

[Kolombo]

If I visit you guys, what sort of telelinks do you have with the scholars? Ahlu Bid'ca are known to avoid the scholars and belittle them.

And who are the "Ahlul Bidca" you're talking about? When did Sh. Umal, Shariif C/Nur, Cumar Faarooq & Mustafa Hajji become innovators?

You hold a few people to be scholars in what you call "Manhaj." Noone else can be questioned on these "Manhaj" issues. These "Manhaj" doctors include Rabee', Ubayd al-Jaabiree, etc. You then follow them blindly in issues of Jarh and Tabdee'. And every other Muslim scholar is an innovator/ahlul bidca?

You are very quick and easy in declaring people to be innovators, even over issues which are not innovation, rather from the best of Islaam! Like Jihaad. As for things that are indeed innovation, if one falls into them, you prohibit reading or praising anything that person wrote. For example, Sayyid Qutb had innovations, but so did many many scholars of the past and present, who Ahl as-Sunnah, as well as the Madkhali, both quote, such as Ibn Hazm, an-Nawawee, Ibn Hajr, etc. Yet you absolutely prohibit to treat the books of Sayyid Qutb, or others like him in the same respect.

Yahya Hajoori who invents lies about Sh. Umal is a scholar, these days?

[SummerRain]

I always pay it on or before Ramadan starts and its always in cash. Does this mean, its not accepted?

[Kolombo]

Ismahan,

Zakatul-Fitr is to be paid during the last day or two before Ramadan as long as it is paid before Salatul-Eid:

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/search/fitr/AllWords/t,q,a

[American Salafi]

[quote="Kolombo"][quote="American Salafi"]If I visit you guys, what sort of telelinks do you have with the scholars? Ahlu Bid'ca are known to avoid the scholars and belittle them.[/quote]

And who are the "Ahlul Bidca" you're talking about? When did Sh. Umal, Shariif C/Nur, Cumar Faarooq & Mustafa Hajji become innovators?

You hold a few people to be scholars in what you call "Manhaj." Noone else can be questioned on these "Manhaj" issues. These "Manhaj" doctors include Rabee', Ubayd al-Jaabiree, etc. You then follow them blindly in issues of Jarh and Tabdee'. And every other Muslim scholar is an innovator/ahlul bidca?

You are very quick and easy in declaring people to be innovators, even over issues which are not innovation, rather from the best of Islaam! Like Jihaad. As for things that are indeed innovation, if one falls into them, you prohibit reading or praising anything that person wrote. For example, Sayyid Qutb had innovations, but so did many many scholars of the past and present, who Ahl as-Sunnah, as well as the Madkhali, both quote, such as Ibn Hazm, an-Nawawee, Ibn Hajr, etc. Yet you absolutely prohibit to treat the books of Sayyid Qutb, or others like him in the same respect.

Yahya Hajoori who invents lies about Sh. Umal is a scholar, these days? [/quote]

This is the same response I get from typical somali itixadis. When ask who are the scholars they, quickly throw out Umal, Farooq. Sheikh Umal went to the university of Madinah, right? So who were his teachers? Was it Umar farooq? NO. My point is these famous somali sheikhs can't be compared to the major ulaama of Mecca and Madinah. These Scholars of Mecca and Madinah, are the ones that taught Umal and the rest of these somali sheikhs. For example, Sheikh Shuraim has a Phd from Umal Qura University. He studied under Imaam Ibn Baaz and Shaikh Ibn Jibreen. He was recently appointed a judge and has been the Imaam of the Haraam. still shuraim isn't concerned one of the major scholars sought for Fataawa.

So what books did Umal write. Who are his students? Where did he get his Tazkiyah? Shaikh Umal is only known to somalis, especially Itixaads. Speaking of reality Umal is a Itixaadi leader. He was refuted numerous times for his beliefs in allowing groups and division in the religion. I don't know why you keep mocking Shaikh Rabee Al-Madkhali. He is not the only scholar of the salafis. There are many more but somehow you only choose to insult Shaikh Rabee. Amazing.

[Kolombo]

AS,

What about Yahya Hajjoori & Berberaawi? Don't avoid them. Tell me about their education. Are they Phd holders?

[American Salafi]

[quote="Kolombo"]AS,

What about Yahya Hajjoori & Berberaawi? Don't avoid them. Tell me about their education. Are they Phd holders?[/quote]

Shaikh Yahya Hajoori was a student of Imaam Muqbil Waadie and has Tazkiyah from him. He is professor at dammaj.

As for Barbaraawi from Hargesia, then is not a scholar but a student of knowledge.

[Kolombo]

My point is these famous somali sheikhs can't be compared to the major ulaama of Mecca and Madinah. These Scholars of Mecca and Madinah, are the ones that taught Umal and the rest of these somali sheikhs. For example, Sheikh Shuraim has a Phd from Umal Qura University. He studied under Imaam Ibn Baaz and Shaikh Ibn Jibreen. He was recently appointed a judge and has been the Imaam of the Haraam. still shuraim isn't concerned one of the major scholars sought for Fataawa.

Who in their right mind would compare Sh. Umal to the 'Uluma at the Majlis Daa'iman? The point of this discussion is how your sect bellitles Umal & others e.g. Sayid Qutb who is far more knowledgeable than Sh. Rabee' Al-Madkhali, you Tabdee' them and call them 'Ahlul Bidca' when they are not innovators, but rather are not members of your sect.

As for Umal & the other Somali Sheikhs, they are important, because their Da'wah is needed. Thousands of people listen to their lectures and learn the religion. Furthermore, Sh. Shariif C/Nuur has been teaching the religion for the past 40+ years, yet you have the audacity to belittle him and accuse him of being ignorant.

This is what you do when you want to accuse a non-Madkhali scholar/Sheikh of being an innovator:

You test the people on their positions regarding certain individuals you have labelled innovators. If the person agrees with you regarding your Tabdee' then he is befriended, if not, he is taken as an enemy and belittled. The individuals you test many times are labelled innovators based upon some of the above misunderstandings.

Example: Abdullaah Azzaam said Jihaad is Fard Ayn, according the Madkhali, this is an innovation, so he is an innovator. You ask Fulaan at the Masjid giving a lecture, what do you think of Azzaam? He says he is good, then you consider him an innovator, or hold him suspicious.

You throw around labels without thinking about consequences; Takfeer, Ahlul Bidcaa, Murji', etc.

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

Are you serious? Your saying that Sayid Qutb is more knowledge than Shaikh Rabee AL-Madkhali. This is why I won't argue with you anymore. Even your people say sayid qutb wasn't a student of knowledge forget scholar. Sayid Qutb studied aboard in America and has no islamic knowledge. Sayid Qutb is the father of modern extremism. If you look at his books, he says the muslim world has return back to Jahiliyah and they have gone back from the religion. This guy is a takfiri mixed sufi. The only reason some people like his books is because he was a revolutionary/rhetoric writer. Shaikh Rabee has Phd in Aqeedah and Minhaj and has Tazkiyah from shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Albaani, Shaikh Uthymeen, and many other scholars. All the scholars praised Shaikh Rabee. On the other hand Sayid Qutb was refuted for his revolutionary thinking and also for his sufi beliefs.

Here is Shaikh Rabee with shaikh Ibn Baaz



This is another claim from Hizbis, that the salafis label people innovators. First of All, why do you make it seem that shaikh rabee is the only one that refutes innovators. Shaikh Albaani refuted Salman Oadah, and Safar Hawali. Shaikh Ibn Baaz refuted Bin Laden and called him a Khariji. Shaikh Muqbil refuted Yusuf Qardawi and wrote a book titled "Silencing the hounding dog" The problem is your against defending the religion from innovators and extremist. You believe in Muwazanah. This goes against the shari'ah to believe in Muwazanah.

[Cawar]

Ok, can anyone tell us how much we need to pay??

Is it 10$ or more?? tell us..then continue with your muran later plz.

[Kolombo]

AS,

Out of all the things I've said, you chose one thing i.e. insulting Sayid Qutb by accusing him of bein a Takfeeri, etc. Your sect blindly follows the official government scholars on their stances towards their governments and politics. So if the government scholars say peace with the Jews is fine in Palestine, the Madkhali parrot his words. Note: Not all government scholars are Madkhali, but the Madkhalis blindly follow them in politics.

You Hold a few people to be scholars in what you call "Manhaj." Noone else can be questioned on these "Manhaj" issues. These "Manhaj" doctors include Rabee, 'Ubayd al-Jaabiree, etc. You follow them blindly in issues of Jarh and Tabdee'.

Do you even know what Tabdee' is? And how it is to be conducted?

[SummerRain]

Ismahan,

Zakatul-Fitr is to be paid during the last day or two before Ramadan as long as it is paid before Salatul-Eid:

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/search/fitr/AllWords/t,q,a

Okay I already paid the beginning of the month. Do I need to pay again?

[Kolombo]

Cawar & Ismahan,

According to requirement, 1 saa' of wheat, flour, grain, dates or dried yogurts is to be paid to a needy Muslim family.

By today's estimate, 1 saa'=3 kilograms

Here's the evidence:

Ibn Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made giving a saa' of dates or a saa' of barley as Zakaat al-Fitr an obligation for all Muslims, slave and free, male and female, young and old, and ordered that it should be given before the people went out to pray (Salaat al-Eid)." (Al-Bukhaari, 1503).

The whole purpose of this Zakat is so that the poor Muslims can enjoy Eid along with everyone else.

[Cawar]

Ok how much is 3 kg of flour then??

Ismahan ..any help here??

[SummerRain]

Cawar,

Well its approx 8 dollars a person per my sheikh. I send money back home but its preferred you give food.

Koronto,,

Thanks. I will pay it agian.

[American Salafi]

kolombo

See this is the problems you guys have. So you say Government scholars. what do you mean by that. You say all the Gov. scholars are madkhali. So Shaikh Salaah fawzaan is a "Madkhali", Shaikh Abdul Mushin Abbad is a "Madkhali", Shaikh Abdullah Gudhayan is a "madkhali", Shaikh Muhammed Luhyadan is a "madkhali", shaikh Muhammad Al-Banna is a "madkhali". All of the Imaams at the Haramain are "makhalis" like Sudais, shuraim, Huthayfi, Salah Budair, etc.

Wallahi your taking talking points from Bin Laden and Co. Also wasn't Shaikh Ibn Baaz the mufti of Saudi Arabia. Wasn't Shaikh Uthymeen part of the Kibaarul Ulaama. So this whole idea of puppet scholars or gov. scholars is only said by deviant innovators like you, who have no respect for the people of Knowledge, who try to belittle them by using terms like that.

Here is Imaam Uthymeen of on the Salafi state of Saudi Arabia.



Wallahi you have some corrupt ideology.