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Goljano Lion wrote:here is what i think, obama was focused, cool as usual, not losing his temper, defending his policies and stands, professor obama was also correcting Mcains misstatements, on the other hand, mcain was angry, frustrated and he was talking all the time about his military services and that crap . over all , their manner of speaking ,i thought Obama looked more presidential , but neither of them made a grave gaffe

I agree with you, neither of them made a gaffe and Obama stood there as the statesman of the two. Very charismatic!


And yes, Obama should have been more agressive, he had enough ammunition. He probably thinks that would hurt him in the long run.

I think I was watching a different discuss to you all...

Did no one see the similar outcome? Americans seriously need to understand the meaning and reason for foreign policy...

Obama said he'd talk to Iran and SK and broaden his view of the issue, but attack and oppress Pakistan if it doesn't control its boarder...ironic

'Russia's actions are unacceptable' lakin Goregia's actions are ok? 'we are not heading for a cold war'..but 'Russia is exploring its old ideals of its empire'?...lol

The Mcain guy keeps runing back to sentimental speech 'they know I'll take care of them' and 'we are winning in Iraq' haha

What a choice, Bush replicates..all that was missing was the simplistic dogma on 'good and evil' and we'd be set.

Starscream wrote:

Salah Al-Din wrote:This debate was Mcain's chance to take back the momentum and he squandered it. A tie does not help Mcain.

You are wrong.

Less was expected of McCain, all he had to do was survive this debate. A tie would make him a winner. This was Obama's chance to put the old man to bed.

Maybe you don't get it. National Security and Foreign Policy are not to Obama's strength. If he goes toe to toe with Mcain he has no legs to stand on except for Iraq. It is because of this fact most people would vote for Mcain if the election is solely based on the issue of national security. However, what Obama has tried to do is frame the debate of national security around the economy. The fact that he was able to deliver such a message and came out even in a subject that is not the one he was running on is clearly to Obama's advantage. Mcain lost his chance to frame this election on national security and make it look like Obama could not be commander in chief. He tried to paint him as naive and some one who didn't understand, and say his policies were dangerous but I'm sure most independents who are the people they're trying to sway here could detect that he was condesending and not truthful in his assesments. If Mcain was going to show the country he should be president he blew his chance tonight, as the remaining debates are about issues that favour Obama.

+chilli wrote:Obama said he'd talk to Iran and SK and broaden his view of the issue, but attack and oppress Pakistan if it doesn't control its boarder...ironic

The Mcain guy keeps runing back to sentimental speech 'they know I'll take care of them' and 'we are winning in Iraq' haha

What a choice, Bush replicates..all that was missing was the simplistic dogma on 'good and evil' and we'd be set.

You're right, but Obama has to attack somewhere. He can't be president without sending some bombs into a Muslim country. As for Mcain he has nothing to run on so he has to use his persona and say you know me, I'm a veteran myself I'll look after you. I was surprised he didn't use the word my friends tonight.

Obama is the future, McCain is the past

I rest my case

+chilli wrote:I think I was watching a different discuss to you all...

Did no one see the similar outcome? Americans seriously need to understand the meaning and reason for foreign policy...

Obama said he'd talk to Iran and SK and broaden his view of the issue, but attack and oppress Pakistan if it doesn't control its boarder...ironic

'Russia's actions are unacceptable' lakin Goregia's actions are ok? 'we are not heading for a cold war'..but 'Russia is exploring its old ideals of its empire'?...lol

The Mcain guy keeps runing back to sentimental speech 'they know I'll take care of them' and 'we are winning in Iraq' haha

What a choice, Bush replicates..all that was missing was the simplistic dogma on 'good and evil' and we'd be set.

That goes back to the fact that the US spend tons of our tax money to aide Pakistan against their "war on terror". Seemingly, all that money spend on them has not resulted in the outcome the US was looking for. Obama strongly believes that the US "war on terror" should be focused back on Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, Iran and N Korean have been given the silent treatment whilst threatening them with sactions after sanctions. All he is saying is he is willing to change that, as he feels the US has been to careless with Paskistan.

As for McCain, he sticks to those rants b/c those are his strongest points, unfortunately they are just not enough to get him elected. Did you notice how he was offended for "the state of Israel" referring to the Iranian president's comments?.... Dear, we have a clear choice and that is OBAMA

Salah Al-Din wrote:
Maybe you don't get it. National Security and Foreign Policy are not to Obama's strength. If he goes toe to toe with Mcain he has no legs to stand on except for Iraq. It is because of this fact most people would vote for Mcain if the election is solely based on the issue of national security. However, what Obama has tried to do is frame the debate of national security around the economy. The fact that he was able to deliver such a message and came out even in a subject that is not the one he was running on is clearly to Obama's advantage. Mcain lost his chance to frame this election on national security and make it look like Obama could not be commander in chief. He tried to paint him as naive and some one who didn't understand, and say his policies were dangerous but I'm sure most independents who are the people they're trying to sway here could detect that he was condesending and not truthful in his assesments. If Mcain was going to show the country he should be president he blew his chance tonight, as the remaining debates are about issues that favour Obama.

No you don't get it. As was mentioned by the old dude in the beginning, he mentioned Eisenhower's quote about the military being dependant on the economy. Even though the theme is about National Security and Foreign Policy, it was clear beforehand that economy would be a significant factor when trying to delve into the issues of these particular themes. In this regard he chose the tactic, which also worked, by stressing the fact that spending must be controlled considerably, to which Obama agreed of course. McCain also scored some points by shedding some light on Obama's role in the mismanagement of government fundings.

All in all, you are equating the debates to their overall presidential campaign, again, all McCain had to do was to survive and thus be a winner. He achieved that tonight. Much more expect of Obama, but he failed to deliver, simply because he looked like he didn't had the debate under control to the average american viewer, even though ironically he was owning McCain big time on every point.

Salah, I see no difference there than, no change just a different suit. what I don't understand about him is that he is contradictory! He needs to stop playing the change card. He is planning to create another enemy and just place the army from Bag to Afgan, while Mcain wants to keep on the same road...


Ismahan so the guy is willing to kill innocents in Pakistan, once a friend, but talk to those that actually verbally assult the US's so called 'nationally security'? but at the same time do some damage control and fix America's imagin to the world..

This is just sad..They are both grounding themselves in promising more war..

+chilli wrote:I think I was watching a different discuss to you all...

Did no one see the similar outcome? Americans seriously need to understand the meaning and reason for foreign policy...

Obama said he'd talk to Iran and SK and broaden his view of the issue, but attack and oppress Pakistan if it doesn't control its boarder...ironic

'Russia's actions are unacceptable' lakin Goregia's actions are ok? 'we are not heading for a cold war'..but 'Russia is exploring its old ideals of its empire'?...lol

The Mcain guy keeps runing back to sentimental speech 'they know I'll take care of them' and 'we are winning in Iraq' haha

What a choice, Bush replicates..all that was missing was the simplistic dogma on 'good and evil' and we'd be set.

True, or McCain saying he's vehemently against any talks with Iran/Ahmedinajad because it would validate his overcharged statements made about Israel, while praising that Iran had talks with the US Ambassador in Baghdad just a few minutes later.

Starscream,

You are right about McCain being able to talk in simple language and use concise statements while Obama comes across like your History Professor, full of facts but the only reason you are listening is that you want to ace the class.

Its easy to recall McCain's points unlike Obama.


Ismahan,

I began to get moved by the Old Bugger then I realized I was a minorities' minority: black, male Muslim

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Starscream,

You are right about McCain being able to talk in simple language and use concise statements while Obama comes across like your History Professor, full of facts but the only reason you are listening is that you want to ace the class.

Its easy to recall McCain's points unlike Obama.


Ismahan,

I began to get moved by the Old Bugger then I realized I was a minorities' minority: black, male Muslim

Abdiwahab
how come your Sara Palin faded from public view so quick

Starscream wrote:

Salah Al-Din wrote:
All in all, you are equating the debates to their overall presidential campaign, again, all McCain had to do was to survive and thus be a winner. He achieved that tonight. Much more expect of Obama, but he failed to deliver, simply because he looked like he didn't had the debate under control to the average american viewer, even though ironically he was owning McCain big time on every point.

If McCain can't dissuade independents from viewing Obama as commander in cheif then he lost the debate. This was about whether Obama can hold his own when it came to foreign policy. He was able to do that, and that's all there is to it. The survivor is Obama. The man who needed to use his seemingly strong area to change the momentum was Mcain and he came up short.

Goljano,

Didn't u hear ? Jalle McCain knocked her up.

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Goljano,

Didn't u hear ? Jalle McCain knocked her up.

I liked what McCain said about Somalia, that he wanted to see the US complete its mission in our country. You could see that he was getting a bit emotional, and I have to admit, at that moment he felt a bit closer to me than Obama.