Re: (Al-Shabaab) stone girl to death

[SummerRain]

Haye, I'll ask someone else.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

Haye, I'll ask someone else.

lool it's newly invented word by me,and u will neve gonna find out

[NoAngst.]

There is a hadith saxix that talks about the consequences of adultary..look for it.

That's the whole point of Shilling's post. There is a hadith calling for lapidation in cases of adultery by the same token there is Quranic injection contradicting the Hadith. In Islam when the Quran and any other article of faith conflict, the Quran takes precedence. It's the responsibility of those who support lapidation for adultery (I'm guessing you're one of them) to refute Allah's injections in the Quran.

[Kolombo]

That's the whole point of Shilling's post. There is a hadith calling for lapidation in cases of adultery by the same token there is Quranic injection contradicting the Hadith. In Islam when the Quran and any other article of faith conflict, the Quran takes precedence. It's the responsibility of those who support lapidation for adultery (I'm guessing you're one of them) to refute Allah's injections in the Quran.

Which hadith conflicts wich verse regarding stoning?

Please provide evidence to back-up your claim.

[+chilli]

Walahi, I'm tempted to set this fool straight & show him ample evidence that not only is stoning prescribed punishment for adulterors in Islam, but that it ordered by the Prophet (saw) on different occassions & was practiced during his lifetime & during the other 2 generations of the Salafs.

Please do...

no Q&A

[SummerRain]

Haye, I'll ask someone else.

lool it's newly invented word by me,and u will neve gonna find out

All this time, waa iisheegi laheed. Xaasid waxid.


Angst,

Provide it please. I will be interested to know.

[NoAngst.]

That's the whole point of Shilling's post. There is a hadith calling for lapidation in cases of adultery by the same token there is Quranic injection contradicting the Hadith. In Islam when the Quran and any other article of faith conflict, the Quran takes precedence. It's the responsibility of those who support lapidation for adultery (I'm guessing you're one of them) to refute Allah's injections in the Quran.

Which hadith conflicts wich verse regarding stoning?

Please provide evidence to back-up your claim.

The Hadith you and Alshabaab use as justification. Allah's words are provided by Shilling. I think the Hadith was posted in the other thread.

[Shilling]

Walahi, I'm tempted to set this fool straight & show him ample evidence that not only is stoning prescribed punishment for adulterors in Islam, but that it ordered by the Prophet (saw) on different occassions & was practiced during his lifetime & during the other 2 generations of the Salafs.

If it ain't my favorite Wahaabi, Koronto. So how is that nightclub live treating you

Sxb, I might be a fool but I sure as hell ain't dumb enough to pass Allah's word in Sura Nur for a Hadith...but you rise a good point so here is what others who did a research on this topic said:

Period of the Revelation of Sura Nur:

The consensus of opinion is that it was sent down after the Campaign against Bani al-Mustaliq and this is confirmed by vv. 11-20 that deal with the incident of the "Slander", which occurred during that Campaign. In other words, the Sura was revealed in around 6 A. H. The next obvious question would be was the penalty of "Stoning to Death" proclaimed by the Prophet (s.a.s.) before or after Revelation of Sura Nur. It is inconceivable that the Prophet who has been declared as the best of the examples for the Ummah, could reject the Revealed Divine Penalty and dictate his own. Almighty Allah is Supreme happens to be the uncompromising basic belief of Islam. If the penalty of stoning to death was proclaimed by the Prophet prior to the Revelation of Sura Nur then that proclamation became null and void the day Sura Nur was Revealed for mankind.

Here is an interesting narration from Al-Bukhari:

Narrated Ash Shaibani: I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, "Did Allah's Apostle carry out the Rajam penalty (i.e., stoning to death)?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Before the revelation of Surat-ar-Nur or after it?" He replied, "I don't know." Al-Bukhari, Hadeeths 8 - 804 and 8- 824

Again substituting the Divine Command with anything else amounts to REJECTING it, and thereby, loosing one's faith in Allah. Those who advocate the "Stoning to Death" to be a better deterrent than "flogging" are in reality promoting their personal beliefs above the Wisdom and Knowledge of Allah.

[Kolombo]

The Hadith you and Alshabaab use as justification. Allah's words are provided by Shilling. I think the Hadith was posted in the other thread.

Hadiths also come from Allah, unless of course you're implying that the hadiths are the Prophet's inventions (saw) and somehow they hold no merit and should be rejected.

Everything the Prophet (saw) spoke of whether it was the Qur'an or the hadiths all came from Allah, every act of the Prophet (saw) was revealed to him by Allah so that his ummah imitated his actions. To reject any part of Islam (hadith and all) constitutes kufr:

"That is because they hate that which Allaah has sent down (this Qur'aan and Islamic laws); so He has made their deeds fruitless"

[Muhammad 47:9]

[Unclebin-]

Kolombo

The Rashad Khalifa Cult is growing saxiib.

[Shilling]

Walahi, I'm tempted to set this fool straight & show him ample evidence that not only is stoning prescribed punishment for adulterors in Islam, but that it ordered by the Prophet (saw) on different occassions & was practiced during his lifetime & during the other 2 generations of the Salafs.

If it ain't my favorite Wahaabi, Koronto. So how is that nightclub live treating you

Sxb, I might be a fool but I sure as hell ain't dumb enough to pass Allah's word in Sura Nur for a Hadith...but you rise a good point so here is what others who did a research on this topic said:

Period of the Revelation of Sura Nur:

The consensus of opinion is that it was sent down after the Campaign against Bani al-Mustaliq and this is confirmed by vv. 11-20 that deal with the incident of the "Slander", which occurred during that Campaign. In other words, the Sura was revealed in around 6 A. H. The next obvious question would be was the penalty of "Stoning to Death" proclaimed by the Prophet (s.a.s.) before or after Revelation of Sura Nur. It is inconceivable that the Prophet who has been declared as the best of the examples for the Ummah, could reject the Revealed Divine Penalty and dictate his own. Almighty Allah is Supreme happens to be the uncompromising basic belief of Islam. If the penalty of stoning to death was proclaimed by the Prophet prior to the Revelation of Sura Nur then that proclamation became null and void the day Sura Nur was Revealed for mankind.

Here is an interesting narration from Al-Bukhari:

Narrated Ash Shaibani: I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, "Did Allah's Apostle carry out the Rajam penalty (i.e., stoning to death)?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Before the revelation of Surat-ar-Nur or after it?" He replied, "I don't know." Al-Bukhari, Hadeeths 8 - 804 and 8- 824

Again substituting the Divine Command with anything else amounts to REJECTING it, and thereby, loosing one's faith in Allah. Those who advocate the "Stoning to Death" to be a better deterrent than "flogging" are in reality promoting their personal beliefs above the Wisdom and Knowledge of Allah.

One more time

Wahaabi's

Al-Shabaab

[Ina Baxar]

Wakaa saacadihii aniga Ilaahey kaaga dhow , iyo maya anigaa kaa aqan loo kala safan jiray ayay gaadhay .

nabadgeliyo dhallinyaro

[+chilli]

There is a famous hadith in Muslim and Bukhari, by Ibn Abbas who reported that Umar (R) claimed that stoning was once prescribed in the Qur'an, however abrogated.

It is known as 'abrogation of the recited with out the legal ruling' in other words the ruling remains, although the verse has been forgotten.

But then again, there are great number of scholars that reject abrogation altogether.

[AbuShabab]

Kolombo

The Rashad Khalifa Cult is growing saxiib.

There aren't many in that cult; probably less than 100 worldwide.

[NoAngst.]

The Hadith you and Alshabaab use as justification. Allah's words are provided by Shilling. I think the Hadith was posted in the other thread.

Hadiths also come from Allah, unless of course you're implying that the hadiths are the Prophet's inventions (saw) and somehow they hold no merit and should be rejected.

Blasphemy! Dude, you're flirting with shirk here.

Allah's words are immutable (meaning: unchangeable). The majority of the Hadiths today are dismissed as unreliable (inauthentic). Imagine if the majority of the Quran was dismissed as fabricated or unreliable? What implication would that have for Islam as religion? I know critical thinking isn't you surwaalgaab's forte but please don't commit dambi in a haste to defend your unIslamic beliefs.