Where is Alshabaab?

[Kolombo]

For two years we had to suffer through the agony of hearing "Hawiye elders" nag & complain about Al-shabaab "engaging" the Ethiopians in the midst of Xamar. For two years, many Hawiye forumers supported Al-shabaab with the exception of AW (who never got over Qeybdiid's ICU @ss-whopping) & Twisted_Logic (who supported Gedi & never hid his anti-religion position), now all of a sudden every Hawiye forumer is either questioning Al-shabaab or making up fictitious claims about them never fighting Ethiopians in Xamar.

Wasn't it Al-shabaab that fought the Ethiopians at the stadium? That fought them at Xararyaale? At Huriwaa? At Jaalle Siyaad in early April 2007? That blew up Ethiopian trucks in Xamar Jadiid? That shelled the airport? I can probably go on & on, but what's the point?

Unlike the diseased individuals on this site, Al-shabaab & God fearing ICU members, qabyaalad was never an issue for them. They fought side by side for two years, in Xamar and elsewhere. Al-shabaab rather than choosing a confrontational approach in Xamar has chosen to retreat and let the ICU take the helm. Would you rather see blood-shed between the two?

Al-shabaab was the back-bone of the resistance in Xamar, whether you hide it or deny it, history will proof otherwise. While most ICU members were in Asmara, it was Al-shabaab that was fighting as early as January 2007. And if anyone is foolish enough to think, they will disappear in to thin air, we shall see.

[Xamud.]

Indhacadde is a filthy crook! and you wonder why Mogadishu is on fire? look no further then these pictures? umad dulmi galay oo halagan beey madax iyo wadaado ka dhiganayan.

[AbdiWahab252]

Kolombo,

@ Except AW.

By the way, could you spread the word I never supported the Wadaads. There are good folks sullying my name by claiming I supported the wadaads out of qabiil.

As for Shabab, they did the least amount of damage. They refused to taken on the big hard fights and simply are in it for the show and bravado.

My Eedo told me how they would come into heavily populated neighborhoods to shoot their mortars so that there would be a response into that area to drive inhabitants to join the fight. Lets not forget about the countless assassinations of humanitarian workers and they even killed my adeer (AUN).

Or how could we forget the poor Cayr students they murdered because they refused to join them but preferred to be university students.

Shabab are only tough guys against civilians and the dead. If they can't terrorize the living, they terrorize the dead.

[Hyperactive]

let me guess why suddenly our brothers from mogadishu against alshabab
some of them are daroots and none rer mogadishu tribal side?

xamud, inader, every nation will get leaders they deserve.
inda ade qofki leader ka digtay, isaga meelwah ko og!!!

[Somaliweyn]

Kolombo,

No one on our side is denying anything to anyone within the resistance movement. We are here to burst the bubble that Alshabaab did the most fighting. Propaganda spread by some individuals who want to disregard the heavy price in human lives and money Mogadishu society paid in the resistance struggle against the Ethiopian occupation.

Now, you saw those pictures, you followed the latest news (this week). Can you tell me where Alshabaab is, if they were the one doing most fighting in Mogadishu?

Also, can you support your claim of, and I quote again: ''Wasn't it Al-shabaab that fought the Ethiopians at the stadium? That fought them at Xararyaale? At Huriwaa? At Jaalle Siyaad in early April 2007? ''

Now back your fictious claim with substantive evidence.

Alshabaab was just a small component within the resistance movement, small but a very effective one compared to others. They deployed un-orthodox tactics like suicide operations and road-side bombs which cost the Ethiopians many lives. I appluad them for that. But one cannot say they were the largest and most important and other factions did little. Thats a lie which runs against logic, and disrespects the thousands of ordinary men that died in March-April 2007 and during the whole 2 years.

[Somaliweyn]

AW,

Alshabaab fought well. Lets not deny them that right. They were effective, but small in numbers and influence. They were the backbone of the resistance but certainly not the largest or the one who did the most fighting.

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While much remains unknown about its organization, membership, and leadership,
it is widely believed that the insurgency consists of three groups:

The first group is comprised of members of Al-Shabaab, a well-trained militia and the
core of the group that led the Islamic Courts to victory during their rise to power in mid-
2006. Many observers believe that Al-Shabaab consisted of between 500 and 700
fighters, largely from the Hawiye and Ogaden clans. Sheikh Hassan Turki is reportedly
their spiritual leader while their operational commander is Adan Hashi Ayrow.

The second group consists of members of the Hawiye clan militia who loathed the
presence of the TFG leadership and the Ethiopian military in Mogadishu. These
comprised perhaps the largest group in terms of numbers within the insurgency; the
leadership and organizational structure of these militia is unclear.
The third group consists of disgruntled fighters and nationalists who opposed
Ethiopian involvement in Somalia’s affairs. It too has no known leadership.94

Although Hawiye fighters constituted the largest group in terms of numbers, some
analysts believe that Al-Shabaab members are the backbone of the insurgency and
provided discipline and strategy for all groups.95 All the groups seem to have
respected the brief ceasefires negotiated on their behalf by the Hawiye elders (see
below).

http://www.pencanada.ca/media/SomaliaHu ... Report.pdf
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Again as we said:

The resistance movement is large, diverse, and composed of different factions all fighting for one thing: Defeat of the Ethiopian occupation. The political color of the factions does not matter, they can be clan factions, business factions, islamic factions, nationalist factions etc.

There are those who want to spread misinformation about the resistance struggle and its factions. Lets act against them.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

alshabaab la'aanteed xabashi ma baxdeen maanta taasi waa mid,,tan kalena qoloda alshabaab waa in walaalahooda dhinaca kasoo racaan hadii taasi diidaana waa in ayagana xabashida la daba dhigaa,,xamar isqab qabsi iyo dagaal way ka daashay..

[Somaliweyn]

alshabaab la'aanteed xabashi ma baxdeen maanta taasi waa mid,,tan kalena qoloda alshabaab waa in walaalahooda dhinaca kasoo racaan hadii taasi diidaana waa in ayagana xabashida la daba dhigaa,,xamar isqab qabsi iyo dagaal way ka daashay..

Thats true, but so it is for the other factions.

At the end of the day, every faction played its role, and without any of them we would not achieve this defeat of Ethiopian occupation in Mogadishu (insha allah the rest soon after).

We just need to correct mistakes, and adress misinformation propagated by those with a hidden agenda.

Everyone who spilled blood, gave money, supported the resistance in word and deed should be credited.

We have those newly converted Somalis (to alshababism) who were at the beginning against the resistance movement, and suddenly push forward a campaign of misinformation.

[abdi ilyas]

AW and somaliweyn how many familj do know in xamar that lost thier sons to tigree?

[abdi ilyas]

even the logic the math are agians al_shababa. letts see moqdishu is hawiye city it lay in heart of hawiyedom more then 12 milj hawiye live around xamar.sh.dhexe. sh.hoose hiriin,galguduud hobyo. use the logic people.

[Kolombo]

Somaliweyn,

You're trying to discredit Al-shabaab's well-documented fights in Xamar. Even today, in Xararyaale, they engaged the retreating Ethiopians: http://www.dayniile.com/Janaayo09/14January3.htm

I remember a time when most Hawiye forumers were claiming Al-shabaab is a Hawiye movement, as soon as the winds shift, those same forumers will claim otherwise. What you fail to realize is that Al-shabaab has different splinter cells who are mostly independent from Abu Mansuur or Zeylici.

[Shirib]

Aaah, there he is, I was wondering when we would see him again, now someone tell me, whats his deal now, is he on board with Sheik Shariif or something

[Twisted_Logic]

For two years we had to suffer through the agony of hearing "Hawiye elders" nag & complain about Al-shabaab "engaging" the Ethiopians in the midst of Xamar. For two years, many Hawiye forumers supported Al-shabaab with the exception of AW (who never got over Qeybdiid's ICU @ss-whopping) & Twisted_Logic (who supported Gedi & never hid his anti-religion position), now all of a sudden every Hawiye forumer is either questioning Al-shabaab or making up fictitious claims about them never fighting Ethiopians in Xamar.

Wasn't it Al-shabaab that fought the Ethiopians at the stadium? That fought them at Xararyaale? At Huriwaa? At Jaalle Siyaad in early April 2007? That blew up Ethiopian trucks in Xamar Jadiid? That shelled the airport? I can probably go on & on, but what's the point?

Unlike the diseased individuals on this site, Al-shabaab & God fearing ICU members, qabyaalad was never an issue for them. They fought side by side for two years, in Xamar and elsewhere. Al-shabaab rather than choosing a confrontational approach in Xamar has chosen to retreat and let the ICU take the helm. Would you rather see blood-shed between the two?

Al-shabaab was the back-bone of the resistance in Xamar, whether you hide it or deny it, history will proof otherwise. While most ICU members were in Asmara, it was Al-shabaab that was fighting as early as January 2007. And if anyone is foolish enough to think, they will disappear in to thin air, we shall see.

Don't go around spreading misinformation about me. If opposing these lunatic maniacs called Al Shabab means I am " anti-religion," I am happy to be one.

And NO, it wasn't your beloved Al Shabab teenagers that fought in the March-April war against the Ethiopians and the TFG in Norther Mogadishu. One would expect such an old supporter of the Al Shabab both in terms of duration and age to at least get their basic history right. The March-April 2007 war started when Ethiopian troops entered Shirkoole neighborhood in Mogadishu and met heavy resistance from the local people. The war intensified the following days and thousands of HAWIYE people lost their lives fighting the Ethiopians. Throughout the battle it was the Hawiye clan elders such as Ahmed Dirie and Xaad who served as spokesmen for the resistance negotiating deals to end the war and informing the world about the massacres that were taking place in Xamar.

Ahmed Diriye, a Hawiye clan spokesman, told a local radio that they have been contacted by Ethiopian officials offering a ceasefire and talks

But leaders of Hawiye clan say they are behind the recent spate of attacks. They accuse President Abdullahi Yusuf of attempting to disarm their clan alone.

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... ting.shtml

Throughout this bloody war, it was always the the ARS faction that waged some of the most successful wars against the Ethiopian regime. Hiiraan, Middle Shabelle and Galgaduud were defended and liberated by the ARS. Men like Asparo AUN laid down their lives in the battles of Mataaban following the ultimate victory against the Ethiopian in Galgaduud and Hiiraan in 2008.

The Al Shabab has YET to liberate a SINGLE city from the Ethiopian. Their entire resume consists of digging graves of pious Muslims and moving into peaceful cities and towns and provoking both the local people and inviting the Ethiopians to follow them. They ALWAYS end up running away from the battle-field at the first news of Ethiopians coming after them. This has happened enough times for people to question the motives of these deluded lunatics.

And yes the Al Shabab was predominately Hawiye give or take few non-Hawiye fighters, but all that changed with the martyrdom of Aden Hashi Ayro, the founder and leader of the Al Shabab till he was killed apparently by information supplied by people in his own group. The Al Shabab went rogue after he attained martyrdom and people have taken notice of their awkward and unexplainable patterns of behavior.

I am not going to question your motives but MAJORITY of the SNET population supports the Al Shabab maniacs because they are the less Hawiye out of the other groups in the resistance movement. It is a fact, when you have members condemning the Al Shabab for invading Gedo and Kismayo but cheering for them every-time they throw mortars from civilian areas in Mogadishu. The hypocrisy is painfully clear.

[Unclebin-]

Al shabaab controls the two jubbas most of bay bakool obviously Shabelle Hoose and have a presence in Galgaduud and other provinces.

Indhacadde was kicked out of Marka by the shabaab. How powerful do you really think he is?

Is twisted logic talking about martydom and putting AUN besides names?

This guy is not even muslim.

[sadeboi]

This guy is not even muslim.

Ina adeer ka dhaawo hadalada ceynkaan ah.

However, I agree with everything else you said.