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sadeboi wrote:Abdiwahab, everything with you is from a clannish mindset. Allah haa ku caawiyo.

Somaliweyn, honestly walaal, killing them will not really do any better. If a real government is formed and they lose all power, they should not be allowed to leave the country, should face criminal charges in court. However, I really do not even believe A/yusef should be put in court/jailed or killed for the simple fact that at this very moment, almost ALL of the Somali population participated in the ongoing brutal wars, whether by finance or other methods of support. In the religion even supporting something from the heart and not with one penny is some sort of guiltiness. Their true judgment is with Allah. Lakiin I just don't see a fair and balanced court system in the near future that would look at so many peoples case.

abdullahi yusuf deserves death for his crimes against the somali people. Tell me something, how can you serve your country when you are willing to allow traitors to live and run around freely?


this pig brought eithopians to kill somalis for god sake.

Sadeboi,

I understand the complexities involved, but the warlords/traitors should face justice, whether now or later.

Sadeboi,

Are u too not a clannist ?

I support comprehensive trials for any somali faction leader, minister, ex-govt official with the blood of innocents on their hands.


Somaliweyn,

I mere told my lovely cousin not to wish death on our Adeer. That is all.

As for Qeybdiid being a warlord ?

Nope. He never joined any peace conference, or signed any political agreements at all. He did not exercise control of any political party during the entire 20 years.

Is Qeybdiid a traitor ?

Probably.

As for Qeybdiid being a warlord ?

Nope. He never joined any peace conference, or signed any political agreements at all. He did not exercise control of any political party during the entire 20 years.

Is Qeybdiid a traitor ?

Probably.

I rest my case, let the public decide who is wrong or right between the two of us.

Sadeboi & Somaliweyn,

I am all for setting up a court to try anyone who participated in the tribal wars since 1981. When such a court is established, I believe Qeybdiid can defend himself.

See, you only dated 1981, because supposedly its the start of the Government assults against rebel groups and when people claim massacres happen. Numerous times you have utter certain habergiders were massacred and so one. But, if you wanted to even sound a bit genuine instead of "let me take a jap at this Marexaan guy" you would've said from 1979 on, because that is when clan members of SSDF claim a massacre was done by government officials.

AbdiWahab252 wrote:

As for Qeybdiid being a warlord ?

Nope. He never joined any peace conference, or signed any political agreements at all. He did not exercise control of any political party during the entire 20 years.

Okay, in the commonly known Somali definition of a "warlord," does he qualify?

What do you mean not visible in Muqdisho? Aren't they the ones waging a war on the AU troops? The reason why they're not holding parades in Xamar is because....
1. Xamar is the capital and Baidao is just a little rural town....
2. There are more opposition groups operating in Xamar than in Baidao, they may not want to do anything that will spark a war between the opposition groups
3. There is not a really high profile figure in the Alshabaab who is from Xamar hence why the ICU can hold victory rallies and Alshaaab can't
4. Abu Mansuur made it clear as soon as the Ethiopians left that it was not their objective to occupy the places the Ethiopians vacated...in anycase they were quickly taken over by other groups.

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Sadeboi & Somaliweyn,

I am all for setting up a court to try anyone who participated in the tribal wars since 1981. When such a court is established, I believe Qeybdiid can defend himself.

ISmahan,

Isku xiishow abayo. Xa ka rabta AbdiNastex ? Muxu adiga ku sameeye ?

Nothing personal. I just see him as part of the problem, and I'm not afraid to call him out even if he is one of my own.

AbdiWahab252 wrote:
Is Qeybdiid a traitor ?

Probably.

Uf you know he is a traitor then why do you keep praising him?

You are a 50 years old man (more than old enough to know right from wrong) so instead of making your own decisions and judgement why blindly follow a man your age?

In this case, I have to side with AW, he brought forth a legitimate argument, my differenec with him will be the dates, I wouldn't go as far as 81, but 1988. Bring all traitors in a just court established for that purpose.

Warlords should be sidleined from any power but shouldn't be touched. All these warlords did what they did with the full 110% backing of their people. Every Somali participated in the civil War so why not try all of them?

Murax wrote:Warlords should be sidleined from any power but shouldn't be touched. All these warlords did what they did with the full 110% backing of their people. Every Somali participated in the civil War so why not try all of them?

Murax, they should be touched. Not because they are the only foundation of Somalia's problem but so it serves as an excuse for all future i.diots who try to change things with the barrel of a gun.

Someone said an Ethiopian guy was treated in a racist manner at his workplace in Europe. The judge awarded him ridiculous amounts of MILLIONS of dollars. When asked why, the judge said it's not that the crime warrants the reward but to make it a lesson for all would be future racist conduct.

The warlords need to be tried and humiliated.

Voltage,

That's just going to create endless witch trials and has the potential to take things back to tribal claims like "Reer Hebel baa rag naga dilay..."

Any future crime should be severely punished, but to spend any energy on the past will be counterproductive in my opinion.

Voltage,

In Islam Nations were always destroyed collectively over the actions of a few.


-Prophet Saleh AH, 9 people committed an evil act, the whole Nation was destroyed because it was done by the consensus of the people
-Abu Jahal in Makkah mislead Qurash, and everyone that died on disbelief were going to hell



Remember in the Day of Judgement people will ask Allah swt, to just punish the leaders of kuffr the ones who misled them not 'us laymens' but Allah swt will punish all of them because they had free will. So in this case, these Warlords could not have done what they've done if they didn't have the backing of their people and they did. This is why "Enjoining whats good forbidding whats evil" is waajib in Islam, and in the Civil War era Somalis were not doing that and were actually sacabta u tumaayo all of their warlords, myself included.

somaliweyn,,sxb nin walba asalkiisi ayuu ku noqday,,ciidamadii alshabaab ee xamar ka dagaalamayey ninba qabiilkisi ayuu ku biiray,,abuu-mansuurna tolkiisi ayuu u noqday,,maxay tahay sababta uu usii daayey ragii RRA,,waliba wuxuu siiyey 10 tikniko inay isku waaridyeeyaan magaalada waajid...