SHILKA The poet

[Voltage]

Where did I say shariif is a murtad? Shabaab call his gov't mamuul ridada.

Al Shabaab ideology:

Maamulka ridada = apostate administration

apostate = murtad

Sheikh Sharif as head of that maamul = murtad

You support Al Shabaab, and say you are most closest to their ideology

You = Al SHabaab


Not exactly rocket science genius

[Unclebin-]

Fascist regime? That's a new one especially coming fro reer sool

Siciid, there is being religious then there is being extreme. I supported any fighting against Ethiopia which was my number 1 reason for supporting Al Shabaab but once the Ethiopians left, I support only talking NO FIGHTING. This kid Unclebin is the extremist's biggest supporter on here. I don't support extremity and I see no reason why anyone does, but to see Unclebin pass judgement on Shiekh Sharif's government and then turn out to be the biggest hypocrit is entirely different.

However, I am guilty of supporting Maslax but at the same time I accept the Djibouti formed government, gave Shiekh Sharif y 100% support and supported Maslax as a part of that political process.

Unclebin doesn't even accept that political process, now do you get

Shariif was calling for jihad.

He flees the country.

Then wants to sot down with the same men who killed his people?





This is extremeism.

[Unclebin-]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="Unclebin-"]Where did I say shariif is a murtad? Shabaab call his gov't mamuul ridada. [/quote]

Al Shabaab ideology:

Maamulka ridada = apostate administration

apostate = murtad

Sheikh Sharif as head of that maamul = murtad

You support Al Shabaab, and say you are most closest to their ideology

You = Al SHabaab


Not exactly rocket science genius [/quote]



look at this jungle bunny. if a shabaab said jump over a bridge i wouldn't jump over a bridge.

I do not make taqleed of al shabaab. Only rasullulah is the only human I will make taqleed of.

But ofcourse you rationale is flawed.

[Voltage]

Shariif was calling for jihad.

He flees the country.

Then wants to sot down with the same men who killed his people?

Thanx for proofing my point.

You don't support Shiekh Sharif, nor accept his governent. So why the hypocrisy about its internal political process. And if Shiekh Sharif was Majeerteen would you be opposed to his governent considering you were almost ready to recognize it last night when you thought your Al Islaax adeer was going to get the pm position

[Unclebin-]

[quote="sadeboi"][quote="Unclebin-"]Dude I was taking the piss outta you. Yesterday Sade boi said shit about stuff he had no clue about and abtiris..[/quote]

ma sadeboi kale baad ka hadleysa?[/quote]


He quoted me about my adeer's famous saying. After you were going on your abtiris rant.

So I quoted my uncle Hassan bidde.

So your brother quoted me.

Comprende

[Unclebin-]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="Unclebin-"]
Shariif was calling for jihad.

He flees the country.

Then wants to sot down with the same men who killed his people?

[/quote]

Thanx for proofing my point.

You don't support Shiekh Sharif, nor accept his governent. So why the hypocrisy about its internal political process. And if Shiekh Sharif was Majeerteen would you be opposed to his governent considering you were almost ready to recognize it last night when you thought your Al Islaax adeer was going to get the pm position [/quote]

Dude I told you are you retarded I do not support Ikhwanis.

Ikhwan politics = Hamas. Do you see were these people would lead us. They would sleep in the same beds with the Shia, secularist, russians and everbody else to get by.


Secondly

If I don't even believe a reer mahad man was on islam then what makes you think I would support shariif?

[Siciid85]

I agree on one thing that alshababs' objectives are not entirely realistic. At the end of the day it's all about attaining the power. They fought to death only to be pulled ahead by someone who has done no fighting since summer of 2006. Their stratagy, which basically all falls on the barrel of the gun is inferior in today's world. You need to multi task in order to reach where you want to go. sh. shariif just declared that somalia will be ruled based on the sharica law, something alshabaab wanted all along. The only difference is he did through dialogue and is by far less costly than aiming to getting on top by eleminating all your oppenents forcefully. Even if alshabaab succeeded in their military onslaught against their oppenents; there is no question they will have no international support and they will forever be viewed as extremist element on the terror watch list. It doesn't benefit anyone, it will simply take the shape of afqhanistan during the taliban years, No development and no outside connections. Sh. shariif on the other hand can now rule somalia however he likes, and is asssured to have international support. It's politics that he is playing, the alshabab game is simplistic and unrealistic as somalia cannot sustain the enduring violence that has occured in the nearly 20 yrs of lawlessness.

[Unclebin-]

I agree on one thing that alshababs' objectives are not entirely realistic. At the end of the day it's all about attaining the power. They fought to death only to be pulled ahead by someone who has done no fighting since summer of 2006. Their stratagy, which basically all falls on the barrel of the gun is inferior in today's world. You need to multi task in order to reach where you want to go. sh. shariif just declared that somalia will be ruled based on the sharica law, something alshabaab wanted all along. The only difference is he did through dialogue and is by far less costly than aiming to getting on top by eleminating all your oppenents forcefully. Even if alshabaab succeeded in their military onslaught against their oppenents; there is no question they will have no international support and they will forever be viewed as extremist element on the terror watch list. It doesn't benefit anyone, it will simply take the shape of afqhanistan during the taliban years, No development and no outside connections. Sh. shariif on the other hand can now rule somalia however he likes, and is asssured to have international support. It's politics that he is playing, the alshabab game is simplistic and unrealistic as somalia cannot sustain the enduring violence that has occured in the nearly 20 yrs of lawlessness.

Do you think they care about the international community? America bombs them and you think they give a shit about american and what they think?

[Kolombo]

Do you think they care about the international community? America bombs them and you think they give a shit about american and what they think?

This is why they're losing supporters. If they want to be bombed, they should do so where it matters and let the people have a chance at peace. Jihad is over, why are they still fighting? This reminds me of a recent lecture by Sh. Anwar Al-Awlaki regarding Jihad whereby he essentially said "Unless the Muslim rulers find a program or a means to keep former Mujaahideen busy, they will turn their swords on everyone else. A Mujaahid only knows how to fight."

[Siciid85]

China doesnt like U.S yet they do bussiness together, so does russia which aides Iran's nuclear developments. Its' necassary to do bussiness on your own good. What you cant do however is to seek your ways in one avenue while there are other short cuts that you can take that can get you there. somalis in the southern part of the country are suffering, they don't need a perfect government, all they need is a government that is functioning and provides security. The rest will take care of itself. I live in the comfy U.S' west coast, we have jobs peace and security, however we are denying the same for the somalis back home if we critize each government regardless of what it is that is put together. There is no perfect government anywhere in the world. EVen the loveable U.S President Obama was born out of wedlock. al ciyaadu bilaah.

[new-york24]

Even if alshabaab succeeded in their military onslaught against their oppenents; there is no question they will have no international support and they will forever be viewed as extremist element on the terror watch list.

i hear this over and over again by so many people.ma xuma every soul is entitled to its opinion.but than the quetion remains,do we look to the west(the main couse of muslim suffering) to dictate what is islam and whats not?

[Unclebin-]

[quote="Kolombo"][quote="Unclebin-"]Do you think they care about the international community? America bombs them and you think they give a shit about american and what they think?[/quote]
This is why they're losing supporters. If they want to be bombed, they should do so where it matters and let the people have a chance at peace. Jihad is over, why are they still fighting? This reminds me of a recent lecture by Sh. Anwar Al-Awlaki regarding Jihad whereby he essentially said "Unless the Muslim rulers find a program or a means to keep former Mujaahideen busy, they will turn their swords on everyone else. A Mujaahid only knows how to fight."[/quote]



When did Jihad became over?

When ethiopians 'left'

Isn't Dolow and Jawiil still occupied?

Even if they left aren't the ethiopians still in Somaali Galbeed?

Aren't the kenya's still in NFD? Or do you think this is exceptable?

Or do you think they willl get this land back through the 'international' community and 'diplomacy'

When did they turn their weapons on each other? Have shabaab attacked xisbi islami?

The only group they have attacked is the AU and they are certainly not muslim let alone 'mujahideen'

[Unclebin-]

[quote="Siciid85"]China doesnt like U.S yet they do bussiness together, so does russia which aides Iran's nuclear developments. Its' necassary to do bussiness on your own good. What you cant do however is to seek your ways in one avenue while there are other short cuts that you can take that can get you there. somalis in the southern part of the country are suffering, they don't need a perfect government, all they need is a government that is functioning and provides security. The rest will take care of itself. I live in the comfy U.S' west coast, we have jobs peace and security, however we are denying the same for the somalis back home if we critize each government regardless of what it is that is put together. There is no perfect government anywhere in the world. EVen the loveable U.S President Obama was born out of wedlock. al ciyaadu bilaah.[/quote]

The example shabaab and xisbi islami have set in Kismayo, Baidoa, Baraawe, Marka, Bardheere is alot better then anything else in somalia. Their are no looma oyaans no more. Everybody is equal under the law.

[Siciid85]

unclebin,
Thanks for mentioning that. I'm very aware of that and I'm glad, peace is good but more needs to be done to develop those areas under their control, that is what i'm talking about right now.

I'm 100% appriciative of their struggle against the ethiopian army, but now they are gone why not seek other ways to deal with your fellow somalis. The dynamics on the ground have shifted, abdullahi Yusuf and the ethiopians long gone, new entity led by good mannered person is now at the helm. Everything has changed except alshabab' war rhetorics. We will do this and we will do that. They need to play politics, now that they have won the war. If they fail to follow up their victory with good political strategy trust me their ranks will jump ship and be on TFG pay roll. Alshabab can attain power by becoming a political party that competes. I believe they can be like the SYL and become a dominant political force, ever thought about that??

[Kolombo]

i hear this over and over again by so many people.ma xuma every soul is entitled to its opinion.but than the quetion remains,do we look to the west(the main couse of muslim suffering) to dictate what is islam and whats not?

We all want to be ruled by the Shariah & live under Islamic caliphate (all God fearing Muslims should have this desire). We tried to attain it in 2006, and eventhough it was messy, it was still better than the alternative. We know the disaster that followed and the thousands who died in the process. I've supported Al-shabaab since their creation, but I've come to realize their vision of a future Somalia will likely never materialize. When it comes to fighting in Jihad & fighting to establish the Shariaah, I've an obligation to support them as a Muslim.

But when they start finger-pointing & accusing other Muslims of kufr and refusing to give peace a chance, then that's a problem. Ethiopia is gone, AU will probably leave, Shariif has repeatedly said he will rule by the Shariah. Let's give the man a chance before he's accused of being a murtad. There's no more Jihad in Somalia. Whoever that dies fighting for Al-shabaab or other groups will die because of fitna. Let's give the thousands who have suffered for over 2 years a chance at recovery.

I would love to live in a Muslim caliphate, but with the way things are in the world today, that seems somewhat far-fetched. Let's play their games, let's try diplomacy & swallow our pride. Then once we reach where we want to, the remaining warlords & lackeys can be dealt with and we can give the middle-finger to everyone else. We fought & we attained many goals, now is the time to try a different strategy.

My 2 cents.