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JaMaaL-23 wrote:Jama Dahir,

Australia has more Camels than Somalia, and no1 owns them they are wild whats missing is the Geeljire (camelherdsmen)
if you can recruit some from Somalia the prospects are limitless.

actually the headcount of camels in 2003 had somalia with the most

sudan with the 2nd most

most of the world's camels are in the horn

I meant unclaimed camels

james stick with ur tribal map making.

will camels solve somalia's lack of everything?

lack of drinking water, lack of sewage, lack of electricity, lack of schools, books and basic health services, lack of food and lack of housing for the majority. somalis r lazy and want to be fed, clothed, educated and treated free of charge. bring chinese people and indians to show them hard work.

admin wrote:I'd put infrastructure, especially highways, bridges, and trains my 1st priority. having peace and ready infrastructure is the 1st corner stone for opening your whole country for business.

The highway system in Somalia needs some serious work done, and injecting money into rebuilding the shattered infrastructure here would make an enormous impact.

admin

bro before u build highwayz and all diz beautiful infrastructures u need to build pple educate them so they wont destroy the infrastructures that u gona build it...

it take a genuis to build a whole country for almost half a century and it takes a stupid mooryaan to destroy within 5 years or less bro

^^ American-Suufi oughta add another dash and add Pessimist to the name. Sheesh.

James D',

Ive got an Uncle who is a xoolo dhaqato. He lives about 30 to 40 km away from nearest big city. With the many of the recent droughts, and the harsher dry seasons (I wanna say due to global warming or whatever) most of his cattle have died off. He still owns tons, for which the majority source of his food and other items necessities are obtained. We provide for him as well, but for the life of us cant see why he he wont just pull the plug on the whole thing and simply move into the city like the rest of the relatives for greater economic opportunities and better conditions. How would something like this work for him? Would he need to ride into the city all the time to sell the items, he'd made from his camels and then return home to the deserted areas? He would obviously get money for it, buy what he needed at that moment, barter or whatever they do down there. I'm sure if we were thinking about this economic recovery plan from an individual stand point, it'd work for him. To get it to work on a wider scale Someone like him would prolly need more people to do it with him, have us send more money from here to invest in, maybe even to buy more cattle with. Who would buy the items? Aside from the city folk? People in other regions? People in other countries? I agree with many previous postings that better infrastructure such as roads and bridges are badly needed. Who is to build them tho? The newly elected government? How....through taxes? Foreign Aid? There has never been a lack of a resource problem in Somalia.....Its always been a lack of a distribution and useful purposes to them.

Amethyst wrote:^^ American-Suufi oughta add another dash and add Pessimist to the name. Sheesh.

James D',

Ive got an Uncle who is a xoolo dhaqato. He lives about 30 to 40 km away from nearest big city. With the many of the recent droughts, and the harsher dry seasons (I wanna say due to global warming or whatever) most of his cattle have died off. He still owns tons, for which the majority source of his food and other items necessities are obtained. We provide for him as well, but for the life of us cant see why he he wont just pull the plug on the whole thing and simply move into the city like the rest of the relatives for greater economic opportunities and better conditions. How would something like this work for him? Would he need to ride into the city all the time to sell the items, he'd made from his camels and then return home to the deserted areas? He would obviously get money for it, buy what he needed at that moment, barter or whatever they do down there. I'm sure if we were thinking about this economic recovery plan from an individual stand point, it'd work for him. To get it to work on a wider scale Someone like him would prolly need more people to do it with him, have us send more money from here to invest in, maybe even to buy more cattle with. Who would buy the items? Aside from the city folk? People in other regions? People in other countries? I agree with many previous postings that better infrastructure such as roads and bridges are badly needed. Who is to build them tho? The newly elected government? How....through taxes? Foreign Aid? There has never been a lack of a resource problem in Somalia.....Its always been a lack of a distribution and useful purposes to them.

This is actually precisely the problem that the woman who invented Camel Cheese faced. Distribution, distribution, distribution.

http://www.tiviski.com/index0-uk.html

In Mauritania, the company Tiviski established a pasteurization and distribution system, and the herders sold the milk to them, and Tiviski handled the whole distribution, processing, packaging, sales etc side of things. It works as something of a cooperative and they have thousands of herders that they get their milk from.

Basically speaking, if a company based in Galkacyo for instance had all the infrastructure to deal with the the milk pasteurization, UHT treating, cheese making, packaging and distribution side of things, and had a few trucks, then the trucks could go out to the country, collect the milk and pay the herder, bring back the milk to the processing center and then ship out the final product to the other major cities and the domestic market.

With UHT camel milk, it'll last for months, even years, and can be shipped out internationally, as does camel cheese.

As a primarily agricultural economy, Somalia can make enormous progress economically simply by improving the distribution situation with more and better roads, and the facilities to store, package and distribute goods domestically and internationally.

Why must people wait for governments to fund roads, ports and other vital infrastructure? This can be done by any number of determined, enterprising private individuals without the inefficient, corrupt middleman called government. If Home Owners Associations in the Western World made up of complete strangers to each other can band together to provide their own roads, power lines, and other critical infrastructure, why not every blood related sub-clan in their own deegaans?

Padishah wrote:Why must people wait for governments to fund roads, ports and other vital infrastructure? This can be done by any number of determined, enterprising private individuals without the inefficient, corrupt middleman called government. If Home Owners Associations in the Western World made up of complete strangers to each other can band together to provide their own roads, power lines, and other critical infrastructure, why not every blood related sub-clan in their own deegaans?

exactly my point

this is even more convenient in somali society where each individual is linked to another person through Qabiil, if private organisations initiated this, it would benefit them but also the residents who invested financially and/or contributed by other means.

a government taxes people and that is basically how they can afford things. What keeps motivated people from establishing an ngo that essentially did tax people to peruse particular projects in a particular area.

But one has to admit that Somalia generally is coping better without a national gov't than most nations would. If there was anarchy in other countries the system would not only collapse but would fail to revive itself, something a lot of Somalia has done.

I personally think infrastructure such as roads etc is far too ahead. Somalia must ensure at least 10 years of stability before any large investments are made. Also first step is to develop an agriculture industry, where somalia grows enough food to sustain its population, as opposed to importing every grain of food.

this is the order of Somalia's economic recovery:

1. solve the subsistence sector. u can't create savings if u barely get by. once farming, fishing and livestock sectors can produce more than they consume, savings is possible.

2. invest the savings from farmers, fishers and livestock herders in sectors with good long term prospects like manufacturing and technology

3. don't listen to whatever self-appointed wadaads say about how to run modern economy.

There Has to be a road connecting Baardheere to Kismaayo, and a Dam built in Baardheere's Jubba river to generate power for the Jubba's.

Murax wrote:There Has to be a road connecting Baardheere to Kismaayo, and a Dam built in Baardheere's Jubba river to generate power for the Jubba's.

I been sayin the same thing about a dam on the Shabelle River. The damn river floods every year, with a right dam, the river could provide energy and a much better irrigation system for farming.

Does the Jubba flood? I don't think it does

Shirib wrote:

Murax wrote:There Has to be a road connecting Baardheere to Kismaayo, and a Dam built in Baardheere's Jubba river to generate power for the Jubba's.

I been sayin the same thing about a dam on the Shabelle River. The damn river floods every year, with a right dam, the river could provide energy and a much better irrigation system for farming.

Does the Jubba flood? I don't think it does

I don't know if it does, but flow control and energy would be a good enough benefit


In any future Gov hopefully Gedo gets some attention Man. It was neglected by the former regime, but its an important gobol.