PUNTLAND needs to stop claiming sool and Sanaag.

[Padishah]

This is not the first time I've engaged in this argument Siciid85.

First and foremost, it is important to recollect that, after achieving independence from British colonial rule on June 26, 1960, Somaliland was duly recognized as a sovereign entity by the United Nations and thirty-five countries, including the United States.

It beggars belief that thirty-five countries around the world would recognise the independence of an entity that was to join with another to form a completely new polity, let alone one that would exist for only five days. I've challenged proponents of this half-baked idea to poney up proof on numerous occasions. It has not occurred to date.

Several days later, on July 1, the independent country of Somaliland voluntarily joined with its newly independent southern counterpar (the former UN Trust Territory of Somalia that was a former Italian colony) to create the present-day Republic of Somalia.

The word voluntarily implies choice in the matter, something a care-taker government in the Westminster tradition does not have.

Somalilanders rightfully note that they voluntarily joined a union after independence, and that, under international law, they should (and do) have the right to abrogate that union, as they did in 1991.

This would make sense where British Somaliland equipped with functioning political institutions that were internationally recognised. Being appointed Prime Minister by the outgoing British and presiding over the referendum to join Italian Somaliland in a Union does not qualify.

Examples abound in the second half of the twentieth century of international recognition of countries that have emerged from failed federations or failed states, including East Timor, Eritrea, Gambia, and the successor states of the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Unfortunately, the Union between British and Italian Somaliland's did not take the form of a Federation. The Somali Republic was a unitary state. The comparison is without basis.

[surrender]

You think you will be able to accomdate such large area by your self warsangeli boy? classic case of biting more than you can chew.

Are you Idoor or Dhulbahante?

he's isaaq-habar yonis habayar. he mentioned it in general section. when he first joined

[Siciid85]

Padishah,
The case of Somaliland, in particular its unique position within the collapsed State of Somalia. It challenges current international law doctrine regarding the interplay between non-recognition and the creation of States. Based upon an in-depth analysis of international law concerning the criteria of statehood and recognition, there is a legal framework against which cases of secession in the context of collapsed States should be measured. In applying this framework to the case of Somaliland, we demonstrates that Somaliland has established a sufficient level of peace, stability and effective governance to qualify as a State under international law. Given the legal uncertainty surrounding non-recognized de facto regimes , our government is attempting to identify legal rules which bind de facto regimes in the process of secession irrespective of their recognition as a State. Proposing a 'functional approach' to de facto regimes, we argue that somaliland is subject to obligations under international (human rights) law to the extent they are assuming governmental tasks. I believe somaliland has a great chance of being recognized if and only when it cleans up within in the hopes that a better President assumes the leadership position of SL.Only then, I believe can somaliland make a good sound case for statehood. Right now, we are our own akiles heels. I and many somalilanders are very excited and hopeful about the upcoming elections will make a bold statement on our quest for recogntion. Open and free elections are sing of vibrant and progressive democracy, which we hope to become as time goes.


About the union of somalia and somaliland. The two parliaments approved different Acts of Union, and the legal formalities were never fully completed. The Somaliland Act of Union required the signature of representatives from Somalia which it never received. The Somalia Act of Union was approved in principle but never enacted into law, and therefore the union of Somaliland and Somalia has no legal validity in Somalia.


– Somaliland fulfills all the requirements of Article 1 of the Montevideo Convention on the rights and duties of a state. These requirements are:


1) a permanent population;
2)a defined territory;
3) a government;
4) capacity to enter into relations with other states

One of the key opponents to Somaliland’s recognition is the African Union. The AU opposes Somaliland recognition because of their belief in the sanctity of colonial borders and the associated intolerance to secession. The irony lies in the fact that Somaliland wishes to return to the borders that it had when it gained independence from its colonial power. It is also important to point out that, Somaliland’s case is one of voluntary withdrawal from a union between two countries and not a cessation of land area incorporated into a sovereign state. Their stance on Somaliland also contradicts with their willingness to dissolve other African nation unions, such as Gambia and Senegal and Cape Verde and Guinea Bissau.


An African Union fact finding mission sent to Somaliland in 2005 reported Somaliland status was “unique and self-justified in African political history’, and that ‘the case should not be linked to the notion of ‘opening a Pandora’s box’” as feared by the AU.
Therefore, it can be logically argued that the AU’s refusal to recognize Somaliland is completely unjustified. And so, it appears the AU is trying to buy time, sending fact finding missions to make reports they intend to ignore, hoping against hope that someday a functional government will arise in Somalia, and if that day were to come, all hopes for an independent Somaliland will cease to exist.


The AU which you keep refering has no justifications and their positions do not stem from principle, but based on opinions and struggles within their counties. I wouldn't put too much faith on the comical African Union club, it's mere looser' club whom many among its ranks come from failed nation. they have no answer to our success and we will not put our destiny in their hands for them decide. We will take our case to the international courts and go from there God willing.

[ultimatenemsis]

This is not the first time I've engaged in this argument Siciid85.

First and foremost, it is important to recollect that, after achieving independence from British colonial rule on June 26, 1960, Somaliland was duly recognized as a sovereign entity by the United Nations and thirty-five countries, including the United States.

It beggars belief that thirty-five countries around the world would recognise the independence of an entity that was to join with another to form a completely new polity, let alone one that would exist for only five days. I've challenged proponents of this half-baked idea to poney up proof on numerous occasions. It has not occurred to date.

Several days later, on July 1, the independent country of Somaliland voluntarily joined with its newly independent southern counterpar (the former UN Trust Territory of Somalia that was a former Italian colony) to create the present-day Republic of Somalia.

The word voluntarily implies choice in the matter, something a care-taker government in the Westminster tradition does not have.

Somalilanders rightfully note that they voluntarily joined a union after independence, and that, under international law, they should (and do) have the right to abrogate that union, as they did in 1991.

This would make sense where British Somaliland equipped with functioning political institutions that were internationally recognised. Being appointed Prime Minister by the outgoing British and presiding over the referendum to join Italian Somaliland in a Union does not qualify.

Examples abound in the second half of the twentieth century of international recognition of countries that have emerged from failed federations or failed states, including East Timor, Eritrea, Gambia, and the successor states of the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Unfortunately, the Union between British and Italian Somaliland's did not take the form of a Federation. The Somali Republic was a unitary state. The comparison is without basis.

Are you attempting to reason with infantile incoherents?
As they say, "fish of the same sea swim in the same pond"

[Siciid85]

You must be the arithmetic man; you add trouble, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

[surrender]

ok.