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Nabeela wrote:

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:
Somalia was amazingly peaceful with the Islamic courts,

False, where have you been. Somalia hasn't been peacefull since the downfall of the government in 1990.

False.

Nabeela wrote:

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:
Somalia was amazingly peaceful with the Islamic courts,

False, where have you been. Somalia hasn't been peacefull since the downfall of the government in 1990.

Actually Southern and Central Somalia were more peaceful than the streets of London for the 6 months the Islamic Courts ruled. Also no piracy was reported so you could actually argue that those 6 months were more peaceful than during Siyad Barre's rule in the latter years when there were wars going on in rural villages in several parts of the country. The Mad Mullah is right on this one.

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:

Nabeela wrote:

Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:
Somalia was amazingly peaceful with the Islamic courts,

False, where have you been. Somalia hasn't been peacefull since the downfall of the government in 1990.

im talking about Galkacyo downwards was peaceful for 6months straight..where have YOU been

Galkacyo?? in my neck of the woods, peaceful Somalia-the whole country, think outside the box.

Voltage, it seems like you see something which i fail to see and thus have higher expectations of the possible outcome.
America will only take measures in which the piracy levels become very minimal, the same way they took measures of funding the TFG in 2006 to get rid of a threatening element.

Matter of fact, they expect the somali administrations to help them more, either way i hope that the shipment of food aid we rely on shall continue to exist and the Southern administrations shall not have their heads stuck in the sand. They need to be firm and put demands on the table and explain what has caused piracy actions in the first place and demand to get help instead of taking America's orders.

I doubt the TFG shall do any good.

We shall see.

Voltage

If US really wants to help somalia ,they must drop Ethiopia as an ally,which they can't afford,hence square one

btw too little to late.they have brought so much misery to somali people no one would trust them anyway

On the other hand, she said that those who support piracy and those that conduct in piracy should be brought to justice.
The Puntland leaders such as Faroole and Cadde Muuse should be tried in court and their Garowe office raided.

Fishing boats should be banned in Eyl

The only people on this topic with any sort of common sense are Cali Gaab and EOMM. To even pay attention to Hilary's words or the new US moves towards Somalia is just plain stupid, no other words to describe them. The only peace efforts in Somalia the past 20 years took place between 2006 and 2008 and all those attempts were foiled by the US.

Simple analogy for the simple minded, since we have so many here - If I punch you to disable you and I do it right, will I cover your medical bill the next week?

Here's the reality - there are nations that the higher powers of the West develop for strategic interests (Poland, S. Korea, Egypt), and there are countries that the West tries to contain - like Somalia and Afghanistan, states that will never walk on the path of the West, states destined for theocracy.

Somalia will never get the help of the West, its fish resources are obsolete, its natural resources are uncertain at best, and their sea is more abused than a redneck bride. Somalis can only help themselves, that is the most real thing you'll ever hear.

if obama and the U.S adminstration are serious helping Somali government they should immediately address;

* the somali government is weak and doesnt control 1% of somalia, bring in the drones and target all alshabab leaders, kill them one by one.
* as piracy is shutting down the port of mombasa which many african landlocked countries rely on, ask them to send in more troops and help them from the air.
* support the somali government to take over and control all of somalia and build them a functioning navy.
* invest in all of somalia and especially in areas of piracy and make arrests of foreign fishing boats and tocix waste dumpers on the somali coast.
* if leaders of puntland or galmudug are involved in piracy, kill them or capture them and charge them with piracy.

dont bring half baked solutions.

American-Suufi u live in another world

Typical American Diplomatic talk. Nothing concrete will come out of it. Empty talk

American-Suufi wrote:if obama and the U.S adminstration are serious helping Somali government they should immediately address;

* the somali government is weak and doesnt control 1% of somalia, bring in the drones and target all alshabab leaders, kill them one by one.
* as piracy is shutting down the port of mombasa which many african landlocked countries rely on, ask them to send in more troops and help them from the air.
* support the somali government to take over and control all of somalia and build them a functioning navy.
* invest in all of somalia and especially in areas of piracy and make arrests of foreign fishing boats and tocix waste dumpers on the somali coast.
* if leaders of puntland or galmudug are involved in piracy, kill them or capture them and charge them with piracy.

dont bring half baked solutions.

American-suufi

you are preaching violence,shame on you

Garuun wrote:

American-Suufi wrote:if obama and the U.S adminstration are serious helping Somali government they should immediately address;

* the somali government is weak and doesnt control 1% of somalia, bring in the drones and target all alshabab leaders, kill them one by one.
* as piracy is shutting down the port of mombasa which many african landlocked countries rely on, ask them to send in more troops and help them from the air.
* support the somali government to take over and control all of somalia and build them a functioning navy.
* invest in all of somalia and especially in areas of piracy and make arrests of foreign fishing boats and tocix waste dumpers on the somali coast.
* if leaders of puntland or galmudug are involved in piracy, kill them or capture them and charge them with piracy.

dont bring half baked solutions.

American-suufi

you are preaching violence,shame on you

what do you think is happening in somalia right now? a hippie peace festival or a budhist meeting chaired by the daila lama? alshabab declared to be part of alqaeda and young dysfunctional jihadists from the globe are flocking to them to learn the art of suicide bombing. it will be the next afghanistan waiting to explode and obama has to deal with.

rag-tag pirates are threatening to behead from now on their hostages even if they were like the maersk ship crew delivering food aid to starving somalis. these are the only times when violence can achieve positive ourcomes for somalis and the rest of the world.

I honestly in my heart don't know what the future holds for our country. we have been a broken nation for so long, that any bit of good news however little is welcomed.

America disappointed me when they overthrew the first stable government in the south the islamic courts in 2006. I was bitter how america turned on somalis just because eithopia egged them on. Eithopia is bane on our nation. It cannot bear to see a stable somalia because it's in its interests to see our country burn.

That being said it's a new admin and i am hopeful america can finally right the mistakes it has made. They need to stop eithopian intereference in our country. they need to help the central government in somalia. they need to help them set a coast guard that protects our seas from illegal fishing/toxic dumping ships.


president obama i think you might be the first president somalis look to you with a glimmer of hope. don't let us down

Twisted_Logic wrote:Typical American Diplomatic talk. Nothing concrete will come out of it. Empty talk

99% true..while some politicians sweet talk and try to convince the gullible ones.. just like they did with one of the pirates who survived..they are developing counter measures to kill them all. And thats in their interest too.not that anyone can do anyhting about it anyways..lol

Want some evidence?? here..is just one example..and what we dont know is much more..


Pirates Beware: Soon Rifles That Kill from a Mile Away

The three Navy SEAL snipers who killed the pirates off the coast of Somalia last weekend were lucky the buccaneers were gullible enough to allow their lifeboat to be towed farther out to sea by the U.S.S. Bainbridge. The shortened towline turned what could have been a trio of difficult shots across hundreds of yards of ocean into relatively easy 30-yd. pops. It's a safe bet future pirates won't be so naive. But the Pentagon is drawing up a project to make it easier to hit targets at much longer distances: a super-sniper rifle called the EXACTO, short for EXtreme ACcuracy Tasked Ordnance.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... ml?cnn=yes

the rainbow coalition has taken over this thread even jesse got more chance winning the presidency than america helping somalia