Lets have a discussion Vol. 3

[AbdiWahab252]

Who cares how we came into existence, we should obsess on how to stay alive.

[Xamari_76]

^^

[snoop12]

this was my original view on the issue,

Darwinism, evolution blah blah blahhhhh

its not education, its brainwashing kids into believing inconsistent lies, i was forced to study evolution and seriously i did not benefit a bit, its all hearsay that strongly conflicts with my and other peoples religion

now i think it should be taught but it definitely needs to be steered towards a more Islam friendly path by discarding the un-Islamic assumptions, ps: Islam teaches Evolution, and only ignorant people who didnt pay attention in Dugsi wont know

my friend, gave me a whole written piece on Islam and Evolution, but i cant be bothered looking for it

[surrender]

Surrender:

Dont you think the theory should be taught (to an extend) you dont want to have children-turned adults that are ignorant of other 'ideaologies'.
You want to give your children all the amunition to fight back (verbally) when someone says argues with them about creationism. Knowing both sides of the coin gives you more power...dontcha think?

Well nalia you not going to be ignorant if you learn enough about Islam, Islam will tell you everything you need to know, from evolution/creationism, to theories humans will coin just so they can mislead the people. It tells you the kind of people that will come before judgement day, and create/write their own bibles/books/theories, and stories so they can mislead people. That itself gives you the upper hand, I mean for crying out loud, my own malcaamad teacher told us about Darwinism!! I bet we didn’t know that could happen lol? just because you don’t learn about other ideologies doesn’t mean ur ignorant, i mean u can learn about it, but it has rules, that of, u have learn about Islam first before going to learn other religions and what other religions say about so and so theories. if u don’t do that you likely to end up being mislead because u haven’t got enough Islamic education to defend yourself from fitnah. So imagine if we take our 6,7,8,9 yr olds to school so they cane learn about other ideologies? Are they going to learn and move on to the next one, or just follow? Children are children, they follow what they taught and if taught "Christopher Columbus said the world was round" that’s what he will believe unless directed to the right path! and that’s one of the reasons children should not be taught liars and fake theories, and one of the reason why now when I started uni, every time i hear something theory or ideology that i didn’t know about, I go back to Islam, learn what Islam say about what the lecturer was telling us. And to this day I do that. It’s the only we u can correct urself!

I agree with Surrender.

lol

[ms.naliaa]

we nalia you not going to be ignorant if you learn enough about islam, islam will tell you everything you need to know, from evolution/creatonim, to theories humans will coin just so they can mislead the people. it tells you the kind of people that will come before judgement day, and create/write their own bibles/books/theories, and stories so they can mislead people. that itself gives you the upper hand., i mean for crying out loud, my own malcaamad teacher told us about Darwinsim!! i bet we didnt know that could happened lol? just because you dont learn about other idealogies doesnt mean ur ignorant, i mean u can learn about it, but it has rules, that of, u have learn about islam first before going to learn other religions and what other religions say about so and so theories. if u dont do that you likely to end up being mislead because u havent got enough islamic education to defend ourself from fitnah. so imagine if we take ou 6,7,8,9 yr olds to school so they cane learn about other idealogies? are they going to learn and move on to the next one, or just follow? children are children, they follow what they taught and if taugh "christopher columbus said the world was round" thats what he will believe unless directed to the right path! and thats one of the reasons cildren should not be taugh liers and fake theores, and one of the reason why now when i started uni, everytime i hear something theory or idealogy that i didnt know about, i go back to islam, learn what islam say about what the lecturer was telling us. and to this day i do that. its the only wa u can correct urself!

I completely agree that you have to give your children the foundation and pillars of islam first and foremost. Take them to dugsi, buy them books and dvds about islam and the prophets (saaw)...having said that...you should also teach them what other religions say (esp judiaism and chirstianity beacuse they are books of allah as well).
Im suggesting that it should be taught to an extent....
How do you explain all the scholars that know the bible and the torah as well as darwinism? They learned it to combat criticisim and be able to debate on the subject. You want all muslims to be able to do that...not just scholars.

[surrender]

to each of he's own babe, but my kid insha'alaah is not going to sing "Christopher Columbus said the world was round" or take part in christmas plays just so he can be jesus or the sheep. if allah wills,hell no. and if that makes me ignorant, so that will be the case!

[ms.naliaa]

to each of he's own babe, but my kid insha'alaah is not going to sing "Christopher Columbus said the world was round" or take part in christmas plays just so he can be jesus or the sheep. if allah wills,hell no. and if that makes me ignorant, so that will be the case!

Educating and partaking in religious activities are two different things.

[zulaika]

If darwinsism is taught in schools...shouldnt monothiestic as well as polythiestic religions be taught as well? You cant teach one and not the other.

Many combat that darwinsim is a science rather than a 'religion' so where do you draw that line?

nalia,

i think blurring the lines between teaching and promoting is the biggest obstacle to "eduction" in its foremost beneficial roots. in my view, i think if you're aim is to reach the pinnacle of knowledgeable in Islam, understanding the nature of other theological/philosophical teachings is crucial.

we shouldn't always blame institutionalized education for the way our children grasp knowledge. what you learn at home, and by that i mean how you are taught to approach learning is far more powerful than what is being taught in schools. so if you equip your children with solid foundations at home, chances are they will not drift away completely and be corrupted.

i have an uncle who is a graduate from Al Azhar University in Cairo and he told me that during his studies there, he was taught all forms religious believes throughout history. he said learning about all those other religions made him understand/appreciate his faith better.

[ms.naliaa]

If darwinsism is taught in schools...shouldnt monothiestic as well as polythiestic religions be taught as well? You cant teach one and not the other.

Many combat that darwinsim is a science rather than a 'religion' so where do you draw that line?

nalia,

i think blurring the lines between teaching and promoting is the biggest obstacle to "eduction" in its foremost beneficial roots. in my view, i think if you're aim is to reach the pinnacle of knowledgeable in Islam, understanding the nature of other theological/philosophical teachings is crucial.

we shouldn't always blame institutionalized education for the way our children grasp knowledge. what you learn at home, and by that i mean how you are taught to approach learning is far more powerful than what is being taught in schools. so if you equip your children with solid foundations at home, chances are they will not drift away completely and be corrupted.

i have an uncle who is a graduate from Al Azhar University in Cairo and he told me that during his studies there, he was taught all forms religious believes throughout history. he said learning about all those other religions made him understand/appreciate his faith better.

You're absolutly right....I was trying to get that point accross to Surrender before she started calling herself ignorant!

[Advo]

As Muslims we believe in creationism that God created earth, man and everything on it and it should be taught to our kids back home .In the west however I don't think it should be taught, because it is a secular society which believes in seperation of church and state. I also think if teaching Darwinism or evolution it should be thought in a way that strictly says it is a theory and cannot be proven

a Major contradiction.

[surrender]

You're absolutly right....I was trying to get that point accross to Surrender before she started calling herself ignorant!

why would i call myself ignorant? because i said our children shouldnt be taught been? hmmm, re-read what i wrote for you again if u must. nothing is wrong in learning other idealogies or religions, but who should learn it is the question, and i for dont think our/muslim children should be taught such education, because they young and havent got enough knowledge to tell the truth from lies. but adults like zulaika said can/do learn, about other people's believes.

[Madd_Scientist_]

what you learn at home, and by that i mean how you are taught to approach learning is far more powerful than what is being taught in schools. so if you equip your children with solid foundations at home, chances are they will not drift away completely and be corrupted.

that sums it up beautifully

[Somaliman50]

Darwinism is a focking racist theory and i've been studying it in biology quite recently. It is the sole advocate for the 'superior' race to dominate the earth.

[Madd_Scientist_]

It is the sole advocate for the 'superior' race to dominate the earth.

are you talking about survival of the fittest? makes sense though doesn't it?

[Ms.Erudite]

Yes, they should both be taught in schools.

Children should definetly be taught different beliefs/ideologies whether it be in science or religious studies.
Not only so they can make informed decisions, but so they can be aware of different beliefs

Teach all of it