Religious folks come in for a sec..

[black velvet]

Of course women would be safer with a maxram and that is why Islam advises it and Allah knows best. Lakin 'there is no man with you so sit at home' is shocking attitude. Even during the time of Moses women used to take the herd out to graze.

Kolombo Xaram I refuse What kind of a life are you supposed to have if you are literally tied to another human being if that is what God wanted surely every woman would be a siamese twin

[Grant]

Out of curiosity, what country are you talking about ? It seems to me that the government requirement for a visa might be different in Iran or Saudi than it is in Turkey, Pakistan or Indonesia.

What a moron, how is asking a question haram?

Zul, I was denied visa and told, must be accompanied by a mahram.

[Kukri]

There goes the air-head black-velvet talking out of her backside!

[Nabeela]

Grant, KSA, I never had that issue with any other country, which really sucks.

[black velvet]

There goes the air-head black-velvet talking out of her backside!

Who are you? Actually forget that no need to hijack a perfectly sound topic. Next time you disagree with my comment state your rebuttal articulately or at the very least make it logical.

[zulaika]

Zul, I was denied visa and told, must be accompanied by a mahram.

traveling to saudi arabia? i think only them ask for this condition before giving you visa.

[Kolombo]

Kolombo Xaram I refuse What kind of a life are you supposed to have if you are literally tied to another human being if that is what God wanted surely every woman would be a siamese twin

lol@I refuse. Its not for you to refuse, its what the hadith says. I don't think Allah favors men over women, very ridiculous way of thinking to say the least since he created all beings including Jinn. Rulings like this are to safe-guard & protect women from the obvious dangers out there. Furthermore, some rulings came about as a result of specific cases and periods during that time, but since Islam comes as a package, we have to accept it all. I look at it as Allah knows what's best for all his creatures, even if we don't.

[Buhodle-Gurl]

When you say. Can't travel alone. Does that include driving all by myself across town?

[mahdi01]

Nabz, there is exception in Islam women can travel alone if there is no male immediate family member, but you have to proof this in Islamic court, I heard also two women traveling together can be mahram for one another although this Xadith is not very strong one.

This is funny story I came across before this relative women came from UK alone to Ohio then she wanted to visit other relatives in Minnesota so she asked My brother to be her Mahram, and My brother said where was your Mahram when you coming from UK, she said I didn’t have one. He said then you don’t need one now just go by your self

Besides that, traveling to KSA alone or some other Arab country is very risky game that I would like to warn you, I heard wild stories of police officers raping women and accusing them of prostitution, if you are going there for Haj find close relative man to go with you or you can marry me for one month and I will be your Mahram how is that

[surrender]

hmmm inteesting. i dont know if anyoneasked, but you dont hae anyone to go with, like no brothers, no sons w can go with u, no husband, no fathers, basically no uncles, no men aan waysada kaajabin. but you really have to go, then what

[black velvet]

Kolombo Xaram I refuse What kind of a life are you supposed to have if you are literally tied to another human being if that is what God wanted surely every woman would be a siamese twin

lol@I refuse. Its not for you to refuse, its what the hadith says. I don't think Allah favors men over women, very ridiculous way of thinking to say the least since he created all beings including Jinn. Rulings like this are to safe-guard & protect women from the obvious dangers out there. Furthermore, some rulings came about as a result of specific cases and periods during that time, but since Islam comes as a package, we have to accept it all. I look at it as Allah knows what's best for all his creatures, even if we don't.

I couldn't agree more with your last 4 points - Allah does not favour men, He knows best, It's for the safety of women, During that time. All valid and logical points now if we use the same logic the Hadith is meant to protect and promote the well being of women of that time when rules like - men are to take care of their women's every financial and emotional need - was also practised. The world is not all that safer now so point 2 is unchanged however, given that women now live in a completely different environment point 3 is obsolete because now women have to fend for themselves. If you live in a 50/50 world you have to go to uni, get a job, make your own success story then you can't drag a maxram everywhere. Either provide for your women everything they need and let any outside ventures be for leisure or fall back on the point that Allah is not trying to make life more difficult for women and religion is not meant to be complicated. So technically although it is not for me to dissuade people against a hadith, it is for me to accept or refute the relevance of a hadith with regards to my life because at the end only I will be held accountable for my actions.

[suga_n_spice]

allahu aclam, but i doubt a woman can travel without a muxrim.

nowadayz, there are different means of transportation. flyin for instance, is safer then a bus or car.

[Nabeela]

traveling to KSA alone or some other Arab country is very risky game that I would like to warn you, I heard wild stories of police officers raping women and accusing them of prostitution, if you are going there for Haj find close relative man to go with you or you can marry me for one month and I will be your Mahram how is that

Mahdi, waa iska caadi, aniga iyo KSA waan is naqana, I grew up there. And no I'm not going there for haj, I'm going there to see my father, but those idiots won't let me, kulahaa nope, no can do, you need a mahram.

Surrender, no son, or husband, and my brothers have other plans, I was really hoping to go alone, but sadly I have to drag someone along now.

[Ms.Erudite]

have to go to uni, get a job, make your own success story then you can't drag a maxram everywhere.

I think you've misunderstood the hadith...

Going to work, uni etc would not be considered travelling in Islam.Travelling in Islam is something that consists of a long journey, whereby one is allowed to combine their prayers rather than miss them due to the nature of the journey. Travelling to and from uni/work would not fulfill these requirements, as it is does not take many hours to reach the final destination, and you are expected to pray on time.

Islam is not restrictive and would not place unrealistic obstacles for women to overcome in order to live life. The requirement relates to issues like holidays, where people travel for a long time, to a foreign country, which are not considered daily activities and perhaps propose greater risk to the safety of women.

[black velvet]

have to go to uni, get a job, make your own success story then you can't drag a maxram everywhere.

I think you've misunderstood the hadith...

Going to work, uni etc would not be considered travelling in Islam.Travelling in Islam is something that consists of a long journey, whereby one is allowed to combine their prayers rather than miss them due to the nature of the journey. Travelling to and from uni/work would not fulfill these requirements, as it is does not take many hours to reach the final destination, and you are expected to pray on time.

Islam is not restrictive and would not place unrealistic obstacles for women to overcome in order to live life. The requirement relates to issues like holidays, where people travel for a long time, to a foreign country, which are not considered daily activities and perhaps propose greater risk to the safety of women.

True but not all uni courses and jobs are straight forward 9-5. There are placements and seminars, class excursions and research, I don't think any woman would want to put herself at risk but some travel is unavoidable.