Pland and Sland should Unite

[abduljrus]

Unite? and why do you think that would work?

I rather go ahead and unite with Abgaal or or Habar Gidir than Unite with people who are self hating Somalis. They dread that fact that they are Somalis and wish they were never Somalis.

I cant see myself uniting with such cowards,

[nomadicwarlord]

And form one state .If the two united it solves one of the problems of the region which is the question of borders ( Sool, Sannag, Laascannod etc) that somalilanders and puntlanders are so keen on it. it will be also alternative to war between the two ppl in one region. the advantages also include economic, cultural and peace & security.

I agree 100% with you. We should call this territory "THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF SOMALIA" and slowly incorporate the Southern half of the country. Our flag should be this

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Araweelo, there is no dispute in the Sanaag region. Unlike Sool, this region's inhabitants are principle drivers of Puntland's existance and progress and their land stretches into the Bari region.
It is not that the ragtag militia of Isaaqland can come and dance.

We are called Harti and Habar-Majerten and Boosaaso is the commercial center of Bah-Majeerteen. So, don't be hoodwinked by the bloated saber-rattling of the SNM gangs that they have dispute with Puntland, which they associate with Majeerteenia in order to confuse people with little geographical and historical knowledge.

[Cusmano]

Ahmed Gurey is all sanag under puntland control? i know many cities are...but can u tell which is under puntland and somaliland?...i think it's only erigavo where the isaaq control, but i could be wrong...please update..

[gemini07]

Araweelo, there is no dispute in the Sanaag region. Unlike Sool, this region's inhabitants are principle drivers of Puntland's existance and progress and their land stretches into the Bari region.
It is not that the ragtag militia of Isaaqland can come and dance.

We are called Harti and Habar-Majerten and Boosaaso is the commercial center of Bah-Majeerteen. So, don't be hoodwinked by the bloated saber-rattling of the SNM gangs that they have dispute with Puntland, which they associate with Majeerteenia in order to confuse people with little geographical and historical knowledge.

Sool Is controlled by Dhulbahante

[Cusmano]

Gemini it is confusing issue...because there are towns in sool n sanag which are apart of puntland...like las qoray and badhan...

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Cusmano, the region of Sanaag was made up of 6 major districts before Somalia's central government ceased functioning. Five of these 6 is settled by the people of Puntland or they rather form majority. However, more districts and their council members have been formed by the Interior ministry of Puntland due to the rise of Population . Cities like Xiingalool, Galgala and Buraan have grown bigger and they currently hold the official titles of districts.

You can simply get a glimpse of General Cabdilaahi and his official tour of Sanaag and western Bari prior to his nomination. He got unprecedented reception in Bosaaso, Badhan, Xiingalool, Yube, Damallaxagare, Laasqoray, Hadaaftimo, DHahar, Buraan , Garoowe and many other places.

What outsiders don't understand is the symbiotic relationship of Puntland clans whose interest and political vision is calcified by their kinship ties and territory wich overlap. For instance, the city of Bosaaso is surrounded by farm villages and nomadic settlements of Warsangeli. Therefore, where do the Warsangeli in this area belong if we follow the stupid logic of the British Somaliland Protectorate. Even back then, Britain had never interfered with the power Sanaag Sultanate except for a mutual cooperation on their use of our port and coast.

After the civil war, things have dramatically changed and the SNM gangs were more united than ever against their common enemy aka Faqash. They had waged war on the region for more than 4 years with the intention to massacre and uproot the Warsangeli. But they were defeated not once, twice or thrice by Sanaagians alone. At one time, they invaded Ceerigaabo and held captive 400 unarmed civilians of Darood, killing many of them.
The late Sultaan Cabdisalaan finally signed peace accord with the SNM that stipulated a sort of green line in the district of Erigavo. East and West. However, the restrictions of this green line were only feverishly felt during the peak times of the Northern civil war: 1988-92. Since then, everything went back to normal.

[Cusmano]

Ahmed gurey so legally where do these people fall into...do the green line of erigavo mean it's puntland zone and the other side is somaliland? and as for somaliland british protectorate...that is never going to work for them because the african union has stipulated they will not change the pre-determined borders of 1960...when somaliland decided to form the union with somalia...the AU sealed that border and every other african country that went thru indepedence in that region...

For the AU to re-do that would mean every tribe in africa can ask the AU to rechange their position on every countries border...if they do it for one country...what grounds and basis do they have to refuse another country who wants the same thing...The AU knows full well what is at stake and legally speaking the AU would be breaking it's policy to allow sland to have indepedence because they sealed that border up when the union happened...if they can unseal it for sland, then they can unseal it for every nation for africa will be the reaction if the AU even thought to do such a crazy thing which is very unlikely because sland holds nothing of special influence for them to even consider doing such thing..if sland was saudi arabia oil field...MAYBE then...but they don't have anything to offer the AU to do such dangerous thing..and not to mention the AU powerhouse members like ethiopia and egypt have made their voices clear about sland and wud be furios if the AU let it happen..so the ball is really against them in every aspect....so that doesn't realy worry me

So let them jump up n dump for 17 years or another 50 years or another 1000 years, its up to them but they won't ever get that to happen..but i just want them to leave warsangeli n dhulos zones alone...

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Cusmano, AU and UNDP both recognize PL and SL as sub-state entities that emerged out of the wreckage of Somalia. But the existance of the Somali Republic is undeniable and no amount of PR rolls and lobbying on the part of the secessionists can change Somalia's border in order to cripple the power of Daarood and most importantly their territorial unity. All Somali enemies wish to see the official break up of Somalia and the Isaq Minority to rule a new vampire state and Hawiye to rule the unstable south including PL. But, make no mistake Once the North secedes, the south will be predominantly controled by the Hawiye leadership and Rahanwein as it was prior to the 60s.


I am kinda sleepy, but go to this link and read carefully this old article published in 1994. The "opponents" of northern's proposal for secession before the United Nations were Warsangeli. The article talks about the "Harti Conference" held in Dubai and Garowe and its main agenda was the formation of Puntland.

Sexy Queen should read it too.

Old Document

[Ahmed-Gurey]

The "opponents" won the battle and then Sool and Sanaag came under the USP jurisdiction and later, after Puntland was formed, the two regions officially became part of Puntland.

Haabsade and his SNM warlords have disappointed Soolians, nevertheless. InshaAllah, they will overcome the invasion of their land by the SNM and join us again.

[Cusmano]

Ahmed Gurey ahhh that explains why warsengeli created the puntland thing...make sense now...as for sland indepedence the united nations will have to deal with population in sanaag and sool who are totally against seccession...so even if they do take the democratic route today and allow votes to be cast, im certain u will see majority of the ppl in sanaag and sool are wadani first...and that will destroy the credibility sland has because how can it claim it is british somaliland if hasn't got the support of all british somaliland...a few rogue men who allign with sland administratin doesn't mean they represent the majority of the ppl wishes...

[MrPrestige]

somaliland border zone extends all the way to - near the border in bosaso

[Cawaandi_91]

Somaliland its a self declared

[Cusmano]

Cawandi yeah sland is self declared we all know that...but even when u assess the historical claim they wish to fool people with...you will find that it is baseless..
Firstly british somaliland was region...Like Palestine...When the british signed a treaty with each clan there...the isaaq kissed the ass of the colonials...whilst the dhulos and warsangelis fought...how can these ppl be the same ppl isku dhaqan ah isku xaduud ah?...as they want everyone to believe...secondly if u look at the treaty that was signed with warsangeli historically they were viewed as naton by britain and they even wanted to open a an embassy in sanaag and have an ambassador there...
U can see the source here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Somali_sultanates

So what claims can somaliland have on warsangeli territories...palestine for instance was region under britain and they became jordan, syria, palestine, israel, jordan, lebanon...that was the way england viewed somaliland..as one region...not one wadan...and that totally destroys their claim to capture sool or sanaag because they have no business there...just like lebanon has no business going to syria and saying i want to re-do the borders of the british and become former british palestine...

Secondly this issue of dhulbahante, warsangeli, isaaqs, dirs...being same culture and love eachother is totally baseless...when british massacred the dhulos was massacred in taleex in december 19 1920s, and isaaq was kissing the ass of britain how is that these ppl can be same culture and have the same vision..waaba dad iska soo horjeeda their all whole culture was based on different ideals...

So even if is challenged in court on their false premise, it will still be knocked out the window...but it won't even get that far because noone in the international community takes that serious...anaga ayaa ka hadalna keliya...the world are obvilion to the ghost state...and thats good

[The_Emperior5]

its simple sanaag is 3 districs 3 Ceelafweyn ceerigabo and Badhan
2 of them are fully under somaliland control and we reach lasqoray a few times.

Gemini your right sool is under dhulbahante