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Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:49 pm
by ModerateMuslim
subhanallah! we have way to many misguided people among us who love the jews and kuffar more than they love the believers and who are ignorant of the deen, especially tawheed and al wala wal bara.
they never cry for the believers nor do they care for them. but they expect us to stop crying and whip our tears for the muwahideen and instead cry for those oppressing us.
may allah guide them and us to that which pleases him. ameen.
ya rabb! keeps us steadfast upon your path!
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:54 pm
by Mr. Yungnfresh
Somali-Star wrote:subhanallah! we have way to many misguided people among us who love the jews and kuffar more than they love the believers and who are ignorant of the deen, especially tawheed and al wala wal bara.
they never cry for the believers nor do they care for them. but they expect us to stop crying and whip our tears for the muwahideen and instead cry for those oppressing us.
That's supposed to be the difference between us and them. If you allow their behaviour towards us to form your beliefs, you lose your perspective. If you know they're wrong, replicating their actions places you in the same moral standing as them.
Amiin.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:55 pm
by Advo
HoloHoax.........Who gives a shid what happen long time ago, It wasnt committed by me nor muslims nor people that I come in contact with.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:58 pm
by Basra-
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:19 am
by ModerateMuslim
Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:That's supposed to be the difference between us and them. If you allow their behaviour towards us to form your beliefs, you lose your perspective. If you know they're wrong, replicating their actions places you in the same moral standing as them.
who's talking about doing to them what they're doing to us?
we're just saying the plight of the kuffar should never be prioritized over that of the believers - not in our hearts or deeds. we've way too many so-called muslims who're fast to condemn islamic "terrorism" - sometimes they're first inline - but you'll never see them condemn kuffar aggression against the believers. when hell breaks, they close ranks with kuffar instead of the believers.
though we muslims hate kuffar that doesn't mean we can't have compassion towards them and their sufferings.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:37 am
by Mr. Yungnfresh
Somali-Star wrote:Mr. Yungnfresh wrote:That's supposed to be the difference between us and them. If you allow their behaviour towards us to form your beliefs, you lose your perspective. If you know they're wrong, replicating their actions places you in the same moral standing as them.
who's talking about doing to them what they're doing to us?
we're just saying the plight of the kuffar should never be prioritized over that of the believers. we've way too many so-called muslims who're fast to condemn islamic "terrorism" - sometimes they're first inline - but you'll never see them condemn kuffar aggression against the believers.
though we muslims hate kuffar that doesn't mean we can't have compassion towards them and their sufferings.
I was referring to us not being sympathetic to the injustices committed against them, just cuz they might not reciprocate that concern.
Noone said their suffering should take precedence over ours...what I'm saying is Islam teaches that injustice is wrong everywhere. Allah SWT didn't give us a limited portion of concern that we have to distribute sparingly...oppression against Muslims is wrong, and oppression against non-Muslims is wrong...as Muslims, we should always be the first to condemn it and the loudest in repelling it.

Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:41 am
by ModerateMuslim
yNf,
is to hate and love for allah's sake part of your creed?
what i'm asking is, do you hate the kuffar/mushrikeen and munafiqeen for allah's sake?
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:50 am
by Mr. Yungnfresh
Somali-Star wrote:yNf,
is to hate and love for allah's sake part of your creed?
what i'm asking is, do you hate the kuffar/mushrikeen and munafiqeen for allah's sake?
To answer your question, I'm Muslim. As a Muslim, you should hate their
actions for Allah SWT's sake. But they still have rights over us. Just because they're Kufaar and Yahuud, that doesn't absolve US of our duty to be humane and call a spade a spade when we see injustice. Having concern for the suffering of their innocents doesn't detract from the concern we also have for ours. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:08 am
by Advo
Hello my well-rounded queen, how do u do?
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:51 am
by Rabshoole
The holocaust happened, there's no doubt about it, it's a part of history. Although it might be too much to bear nor filter into the minds of young americans, it's really astonishing how the western's history wants to relinquish the theory that it even happened, inleen ceebtooda wey asturaan, meanwhile everybody else's dirty laundry is aired out.
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I don't know if many of you noticed it but they don't have a memorial ceremony for those that died in the holocaust, however every yr 9/11 markii lagaaro the memorial is all over the news.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:06 am
by Voltage
Mr Y&F respect.
Also don't leave out for centuries when Jews were facing pogroms and persecuation in Europe they were welcome, lived peacefully, and prospered in Muslim controlled Lands.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:09 am
by Babygirl-
It happened & it was wrong, inhumane & Barbaric..

& whoever tries to deny is ignorant.
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:54 am
by Ducaysane_87
lool - what about the somali genocide - its understanable - since jews and germans werent the same religion or same race - lets not forget the hargeisa and baydhabo genocide
Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:01 am
by AhlulbaytSoldier
I prefer to call this jewish tragedy while referring to the palestinian genocide and somali genocide committed by amxaaro as ´´TRUE HOLOCAUST´´

Re: How can people deny the holocaust happened?
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:55 am
by hanqadh
jews were killed but man i dnt know about 6 million.
even with 9/11 thiers also conspiracy theories about it aswell, even alqaeda is said to be a manufactured enemy, and osama bin laden died in 2001.