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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Wallahi I would be estatic, I HATE XAMAR :up: :up:


Gemini,

I don't know Why You're complaining this would be a win win. You know during the last regime How much money was pumped into Xamar i.e (Universites, Factories, Hotels, Ministry Buildings etc.) Do You know who used to benefit from that the most? Hawiye! Being that the capitol was receiving all this investment and they lived in the area adjacent to Xamar they can now go to School, start businesses etc. If Garowe becomes the capitol, friggin Cisse Maxmuuds and Majerteen in genreral would become the biggest beneficiaries. Also Somalia as a whole would benefit having the capitol be in a stable city. Also don't think the place would become unstable because its the capitol. The reason Xamar stayed like this for this long is beacuse Hawiye wey isku tashan waayeen, it had nothing to do with the city being a capitol!
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Murax wrote: I don't know Why You're complaining this would be a win win.


If Garowe becomes the capitol, friggin Cisse Maxmuuds and Majerteen in genreral would become the biggest beneficiaries.
Garowe's already doing pretty good as the "Capital" of Puntland. It gets built on the daily, with tons of plans for improvement in the works. This "make it the Capital" business would actually hamper both its rebuilding speed and mission. Besides, people would have a hard time recognizing it, anyway, as Mogadishu would always be ingrained in them. Solution could be to get a new economic capital, for the nation, station it where ever the "government" may be, all while symbolically keep Xamar remains its capital. Basically in laga daneesto, both economically and politically while people get their acts together. :up:
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Amethyst wrote:
Murax wrote: I don't know Why You're complaining this would be a win win.


If Garowe becomes the capitol, friggin Cisse Maxmuuds and Majerteen in genreral would become the biggest beneficiaries.
Garowe's already doing pretty good as the "Capital" of Puntland. It gets built on the daily, with tons of plans for improvement in the works. This "make it the Capital" business would actually hamper both its rebuilding speed and mission. Besides, people would have a hard time recognizing it, anyway, as Mogadishu would always be ingrained in them. Solution could be to get a new economic capital, for the nation, station it where ever the "government" may be, all while symbolically keep Xamar remains its capital. Basically in laga daneesto, both economically and politically while people get their acts together. :up:

Amthiest,

I heard the plan that some Somali intellectuals put up in the past to change the capitol. Part of the plan would be to have checkpoints coming from every road going into the city, checking for paperwork, ID's etc. and deciding who goes in and who goes out and this would continue for years until the Country is stable. Secondly what makes a city is the Human Recourse not the location, etc. The Human Recourse in Garowe is better than it is in Xamar because the people there are accostomed to living under some type of law and order. Secondly the Int'l Aid/Investment Garowe would receive as a recognized capitol of a Nation would pale in comparison to an impoverished semi autonomous region of a failed State! The capitol of Nigeria was changed from Lagos to Abuja after they had a tough time with crime and lawlessness in Lagos, and it worked perfectly. I see no reason Why it wouldn't work in Somalia.
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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fok no, that desert ?

if we were to move the capital it should be Beledweyn, Cabudwaaq or Baidoa
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Amthiest,

I heard the plan that some Somali intellectuals put up in the past to change the capitol. Part of the plan would be to have checkpoints coming from every road going into the city, checking for paperwork, ID's etc. and deciding who goes in and who goes out and this would continue for years until the Country is stable. Secondly what makes a city is the Human Recourse not the location, etc. The Human Recourse in Garowe is better than it is in Xamar because the people there are accostomed to living under some type of law and order. Secondly the Int'l Aid/Investment Garowe would receive as a recognized capitol of a Nation would pale in comparison to an impoverished semi autonomous region of a failed State! The capitol of Nigeria was changed from Lagos to Abuja after they had a tough time with crime and lawlessness in Lagos, and it worked perfectly. I see no reason Why it wouldn't work in Somalia.
Murax,

I agree with you. Many countries have moved their capitals for strategic positioning. Wasnt it in Brazil as well, from Rio De Janeiro, because their government wanted it to be more at the center of the country, but also because it had too many poor people or too much crime or something?

Two problems as I see it. 1) Our people are way too emotional, about their 40 some odd years old "capital". While the focus would be on development of a nation, you'd catch them bicker and hamper whatever progress there could be, focusing all their energies on something as insignificant as "where the capital should be. After all, the only reason why Mogadishu is in turmoil today, is because everyone from all the regions of the country flooded it after the civil war thinking that the taking of it would give them all the advantages of its size, port, businesses and resources. These same people have yet to move back to where they came from neither, leaching, in the hopes of whoever toppling the government one day (either them or otherwise) continuing the capital there.

2) They'd scream Bloody Murder Puntlanders, if moved anything higher than gaalkacyo. :lol:


Anyway, without making too much of an uproar, plan could be to cut this off, and find a new commercial capital, all while keeping Mogadishu as the "symbolic" one. I'm sure they'd move to the new place. After all people move all the time for economic reasons. You have xoolo-dhaqato from the remotest of baadiyaha moving into the cities, just like you have others moving away from cities that previously held 100's of thousands, for something as simple as it no longer holding enough natural or otherwise, resources for their livelihoods. Then when things cool down....Move the government back. :mrgreen:

Anything south, and preferably close to it, would suffice. :up:
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Murax wrote:
Amthiest,

I heard the plan that some Somali intellectuals put up in the past to change the capitol. Part of the plan would be to have checkpoints coming from every road going into the city, checking for paperwork, ID's etc. and deciding who goes in and who goes out and this would continue for years until the Country is stable. Secondly what makes a city is the Human Recourse not the location, etc. The Human Recourse in Garowe is better than it is in Xamar because the people there are accostomed to living under some type of law and order. Secondly the Int'l Aid/Investment Garowe would receive as a recognized capitol of a Nation would pale in comparison to an impoverished semi autonomous region of a failed State! The capitol of Nigeria was changed from Lagos to Abuja after they had a tough time with crime and lawlessness in Lagos, and it worked perfectly. I see no reason Why it wouldn't work in Somalia.
Murux,

I agree with you. Many countries have moved their capitals for strategic positioning. Wasnt it in Brazil as well, from Rio De Janeiro, both because the Government wanted it to be more at the center of the country, but also because it had too many poor people and too much crime or something? Only problem is Our people are way too emotional, about their 40 some odd years old "capital" though. While the focus would be on development of a nation, you'd see them focusing all their energies and something as insignificant as "where the capital should be. After all, the only reason why Mogadishu is in turmoil today, is because everyone from all the regions of the country flooded it after the civil war thinking that the taking of it would give them all the advantages of its size, port, businesses and resources. These same people have yet to move back to where they came from neither, leaching, in the hopes of whoever toppling the government one day (either them or otherwise) continuing the capital there.

Anyway, Plan would be to cut this off, and find a new commercial capital, all while keeping Mogadishu as the "symbolic" one. I'm sure they'd move to the new place. After all people move all the time for economic reasons. You have xoolo-dhaqato from the remotest of baadiyaha moving into the cities, just like you have others moving away from cities that previously held 100's of thousands, for something as simple as it no longer holding enough natural or otherwise, resources for their livelihoods. So why not?

1st of all, there is no sentimental feelings for Somalis towards Xamar. Most Somalis are sick of it, and today most Somalis would rather invest and live in other towns then Xamar as the recognized capitol, imagine When the status of Capitol City is removed. 2ndly, lets be real, I know people who went back to Xamar in the past. about 90% of the population there are living there ilegally and moved to Xamar in the '90s. With Garowe most of the citizens there are probably hardworking and with controls outside the city everybody coming in will be scrutinized. Saudi did this with Riyadh and it worked great.
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Murax wrote:
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1st of all, there is no sentimental feelings for Somalis towards Xamar. Most Somalis are sick of it, and today most Somalis would rather invest and live in other towns then Xamar as the recognized capitol, imagine When the status of Capitol City is removed. 2ndly, lets be real, I know people who went back to Xamar in the past. about 90% of the population there are living there ilegally and moved to Xamar in the '90s. With Garowe most of the citizens there are probably hardworking and with controls outside the city everybody coming in will be scrutinized. Saudi did this with Riyadh and it worked great.
No sentiments? Says you, Murax. Dont u remember the TFG stumbling into tons of problems with the whole Jowhar/Beydhabo thing back in 04/05? And that was only for a temporary move. imagine a permanent one. I'm sure it wouldnt be easy. Btw, Garowe, itself was chosen on the basis of its location within Puntland, not that there was anything special about it either. How would this even be possible now that folks are fighting in the Capital just gain control or whatever? You dont think we're jumping a little ahead? :|
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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Amethyst wrote:
Murax wrote:
Amethyst wrote:
1st of all, there is no sentimental feelings for Somalis towards Xamar. Most Somalis are sick of it, and today most Somalis would rather invest and live in other towns then Xamar as the recognized capitol, imagine When the status of Capitol City is removed. 2ndly, lets be real, I know people who went back to Xamar in the past. about 90% of the population there are living there ilegally and moved to Xamar in the '90s. With Garowe most of the citizens there are probably hardworking and with controls outside the city everybody coming in will be scrutinized. Saudi did this with Riyadh and it worked great.
No sentiments? Says you, Murax. Dont u remember the TFG stumbling into tons of problems with the whole Jowhar/Beydhabo thing back in 04/05? And that was only for a temporary move. imagine a permanent one. I'm sure it wouldnt be easy. Btw, Garowe, itself was chosen on the basis of its location within Puntland, not that there was anything special about it either. How would this even be possible now that folks are fighting in the Capital just gain control or whatever? You dont think we're jumping a little ahead? :|

That was mostly coming from Hawiye who ofcourse would always object to the capitol being moved away from Xamar. Anyway if You like the status quo thats fine.
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Murax wrote:
That was mostly coming from Hawiye who ofcourse would always object to the capitol being moved away from Xamar. Anyway if You like the status quo thats fine.
I don't. I'm just not too overly optimistic either. :down:

Btw...about that plan that the Somali intellectuals put up in the past. Any links?
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of course murax is all win win, all that money that goes to muqdhiso warlord can be handy in puntland as we put our people first. i actually like the idea, so long as no single southerner enters the city is all win win. we need to hand out ID cards walee! :up:
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this is stupid idea - i hope the hawiyes dont accpect this - i mean yes Galckayo can be made - a capital since it will benefit the southerners living there aswell - and not only just planders
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Re: Garowe: The New Capital City for Somalia

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surrender wrote:of course murax is all win win, all that money that goes to muqdhiso warlord can be handy in puntland as we put our people first. i actually like the idea, so long as no single southerner enters the city is all win win. we need to hand out ID cards walee! :up:

Well ofcourse if it is the capitol city Somalis should have a right to live in their capitol :roll:


The only thing is anybody without ID's, Passport and other documentation wouldn't be able to enter, and if they do at least theres a way to know most if not all the people in the city are authenticated citizens of the Country. In addition random checks asking people for identification.
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the goverment could re-organise itself in the north and push back down but personally i think kismayo should be the capital of somalia....its not dominated by a single clan entity.
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hanqadh wrote:the goverment could re-organise itself in the north and push back down but personally i think kismayo should be the capital of somalia....its not dominated by a single clan entity.

A new government made up of Intelligent wadani Somalis,not mooryaanta hada diinta soo xasuustay :!:

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