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Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:14 pm**

Young Royal wrote:Xamud,

I rather take a grown man's opinion then a 20 year-old refugee, the kid doesn't know what he is talking about since it seem he is reminiscing about some pic taken under AY's leadership. I don't think he is even talking about the same Abdiqasim (Ina Saladboy) that I'm referring to here, the man was supported morally and financially by both Djibouti and the Saudi Kingdom in his bid to lead Somalia, the same reason Puntland refuse to part take in the Carta conference in the first place since this was something that has been dragging way before TNG thing surfaced.

Saxiib Abdiqasim played ball waa ruunta, the guy banked millons upon millon and he gave some of it too his clan, why do you think Ceyr is in the spotlight today? Haber Gidir Sacad baa u talin jiray. He even built himself a mansion in Cairo.

Anyway welcome back too the forum I have not seen you in awhile.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:40 pm**

Thank you brother, we MJ's might not see things eye to eye with Lelkase but I respect your ilk regardless. The only true Darood left.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:45 pm**

Young Royal wrote:The only true Darood left.

What is your measurement of Darod? How much of a favorable opinion one has towards the qabiil that tried to raise up all the domestic and external enemies against the one true Darod government that existed? Even in 1991, you were the first to sign with Caydiid even when all the Darods who just saved you were united against the USC. I am not sure your measuring stick is the appropriate one for Darodnimo.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:36 pm**

Dammm this royal young guy is bitter

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:42 pm**

Voltage, adeer Afguduud's ouster from the city was a well-orchesterated and executed coup in which many local clans conspired against the administration former transitional president Abdilaahi Yousuf set up in Kismayo. Though Awrmale were given the deputy mayor position, they were not satisfied with it and they saught a bigger share of the pie. This small coup of the city, therefore, were carried out by several clans and Awrmale took a major role in that. I have to admit that Awramale had formed temporary alliance with Marehan to rectify an injustice.

However, the JVA alliance, even Prof. Said Samatar had this to say.

" Further, the Ayr lineage controls the greater part of southern Somalia from Mogadishu to Merka to Baraawe to Kismayu, practically all the way to the Kenya border. Which explains the strong suspicion among Somalis that Abdiqaasim Salad, president of the last failed Transitional National Government(TNG) before the present one, who is an Ayr, is the Godfather of the ICU."

....Well in line with what Young Royal was saying.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:48 pm**

Where is that dumb Paidmonk who oftentimes boast of how his family lived in Kismaayo for almost a century.
Let us hear what you know of the JVA and their genocidal campaigns.

Anyone had seen pictures of how the Gangs of Galguduud burned the whole town of Dhobley down. I mean, Incinerated to the point of no mercy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:59 pm**

Cawrhutu, JVA never comitted genocide. The Harti exodus was earlier in 98 when some Hawiye, Ogaden and Marehan groups were fighting Morgan. And that was voluntary exodus. There were no genocides under the hands of JVA; everyone knew how easily power shifted and how bad deeds would be returned.

Cawrmale on the other hand killed for fun, they didn't even kill for political advantage, traints of a Hutu.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:41 pm**

Highland wrote:Voltage, adeer Afguduud's ouster from the city was a well-orchesterated and executed coup in which many local clans conspired against the administration former transitional president Abdilaahi Yousuf set up in Kismayo. Though Awrmale were given the deputy mayor position, they were not satisfied with it and they saught a bigger share of the pie. This small coup of the city, therefore, were carried out by several clans and Awrmale took a major role in that. I have to admit that Awramale had formed temporary alliance with Marehan to rectify an injustice.

Wtf are you talking about?

The fight in Kismaayo started with one guy who is the same, sub-sub-sub-sub clan as I am; Abdirisaaq Faarax Taano. It had nothing to do with maamul. Abdirisaaq is a businessman and employed Marehan guards to look after his business. Afgaduud unilaterally thinking he was an Emporer made this little decree that all employed guards had to be "TFG troops" and they had to be filed through him, basically the Puntland boys in Guutada Koowaad which Afgaduud commanded. Afgaduud came around to Taano and told him to get rid of the boys and Taano said "do you own this business, if you do you can control who is hired..if you don't own this business, get out". Afgaduud feeling the sting ran back to his base to get together a militia but Taano had sent the word out and by the time Afgaduud arrived, him and his whole guuto including Koojaar who came to help him were ran out of the city in two hours. We can go back to the archives and get where we were talking about this in the Gedo section even hours before the national news picked it up. This is how credible you are.

p.s. Way to go and "even" bringing senile Samatar. Next time you want to present something as fact try to make sure you double read and make sure it doesn't sound like the politically laced grumblings of a senile old man. This is the man that was cut off from CNN for saying collective punishment have to be meted out on Majeerteen because they have centuries of piracy in their blood.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:07 am**

Voltage wrote:Lol @ this guy's emotional calaacal. Sxb, Abdiqasim became president in 2001. Marehan tookover Kismaayo in 1998.

Young Royal,

Take all the time You need to vent

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:11 am**

Highland wrote:Voltage, adeer Afguduud's ouster from the city was a well-orchesterated and executed coup in which many local clans conspired against the administration former transitional president Abdilaahi Yousuf set up in Kismayo. Though Awrmale were given the deputy mayor position, they were not satisfied with it and they saught a bigger share of the pie. This small coup of the city, therefore, were carried out by several clans and Awrmale took a major role in that. I have to admit that Awramale had formed temporary alliance with Marehan to rectify an injustice. .

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:20 am**

Voltage wrote:

"What is your measurement of Darod? How much of a favorable opinion one has towards the qabiil that tried to raise up all the domestic and external enemies against the one true Darod government that existed? Even in 1991, you were the first to sign with Caydiid even when all the Darods who just saved you were united against the USC. I am not sure your measuring stick is the appropriate one for Darodnimo."

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MJ's and Lelkase battled each other in past and still do to some extent, however, the thought of joining an unholy alliance with another clan in exterminating the other never crossed their mind. They are true Darood in that regard something your clan lacks.

Afweyne was only after one thing, power and with Abdirashiid's assassination he got his wish. How he dealt with MJ's I think is a testament to how sincere the man was about dealing with other fellow Darood. Before Abdirashiid's assassination MJ's and Marehan never crossed path, had he stand shoulder to shoulder with us when we were in need of support the outcome I'm sure could have been different today, unfortunately, he took advantage of the office Abdirashiid entrusted in him.

Eight years later in 1978, few of our men that were still upset with the coup in 1969 revolted against him, rather then extending an olive branch he retaliated against MJ civilian population with mass massacre, prosecution, indefinite detention, and summary execution of dissidents. Our reaction to his reaction I think was very deserving though we were no match and when he was overthrown in 1991, the same arsenal he used against us fell into yet another foe.

At this point our elites opted to save the nation and avoid anymore bloodshed since our options were limited and extended an olive branch to Caydiid's wing, unfortunately, he had something else in mind since the booty Afweyne left him got him excited. There was no saving at this point, Afweyne left MJ's for dead and when he was overthrown he left Darood exposed, Cabduwaaq depended on who won Galkayo, had it fall it was going to be an easy prey...so in all truthiness you saved nobody's arse but your own.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:15 pm**

Before I leave, let me correct you about one thing...capturing Caabudwaaq had more significance for USC because it was a Marehan deegaan of Siad Bare. Also, the road to Gaalkacyo went through Caabudwaaq. 7 months before the USC attacked Gaalkacyo, they attacked Balanbale and Caabudwaaq and the battle that took place is called "Feero Qumumah". Habar Gidir, especially the Cayr still harbor hate and hidden genocidal thoughts against us because of that battle. Caydiid himself was in the battle and had to flee to the Ethiopian side and towards Feerfeer because Marehan tookover all of Galgaduud in the bacsi and they were in Beled-Weyne with the Xawaadle. The whole reason USC tried to go make base in Gaalkacyo was to try to compress Marehan from the Mogadishu side and the northern side. Your whole history is off which doesn't make me surprised since you presented a SRRC coffe shop talk as wax macquul ah.

"Somalis say that Aideed, whose Habre Gedir militias have suffered several bitter defeats at the hands of the rival Marehan clan in recent weeks in the central regions, has left Mogadishu to personally lead counterattacks.

The town of Belet Huen on the Ethiopian frontier has been captured by the joint Marehan and Hawadle forces, who had lost it to Aideed's forces while the United Nations was still in Somalia last year.

The Habre Gedir have also come under bitter attacks from the Marehan around the remote central town of Dusa Mareb, Somali travellers say." [1]

AFP, January 20, 1993 writes:

"Beledweyne (Belet Uen): 19th January: Forces loyal to ousted Somali dictator Muhammad Siyad Barreh launched an attack north-west of Beledweyne, leaving about 25 dead, according to reports reaching this central Somalia town. The attack by the Somali National Front came near the small town of Matabaan about a week ago, according to Matabaan townsfolk who have deployed mines around it for their defence. Some reports put the death toll up to 30.

The Beledweyne region has been allocated to Canadian forces in Operation Restore Hope, and their commander despatched troops and armoured cars to Matabaan, close to the Ethiopian border. . .

Canadian Lt-Col Carol Mathieu, who visited Matabaan, said he had news of "a major battle" west of Matabaan. According to Aydid's United Somali Congress, the SNF [Somali National Front] made the incursion. Canadian officers believe each side has some 3,000 to 4,000 men with heavy weapons and that the SNF has Soviet-made T-54 or T-55 tanks. The SNF is said to control the border town of Balanballe, further to the north.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian forces have taken control of and sealed off the border town of Ferfer north-west of Beledweyne to try to prevent cross-border movement, witnesses said." [2]

Reuters, 19 January, 1993 writes:

"But rival Habre Gedir and Marehan clan forces fought a fierce battle a week ago at a village 80 km (50 miles) to the north of Belet-Uen and 30 people were reported killed.

"We were told they used armoured vehicles, technicals and mortars," Mathieu said, adding that he had sent 20 armoured cars to patrol the Ethiopian border and prevent more fighting." [3]

And once again in 9 May, 1993:

"The last clan battle in Belet Huen was in January, a week after the Canadians stormed the sand-swept town. Thirty people were killed in the battle between forces of the Habre Gedir and Marehan clans." [4]

Sources:
[1] Reuters (1995)
[2] AFP, January 20, 1993
[3] Reuters, 19 January, 1993
[4] Reuters, 9 May, 1993

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:50 am**

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:05 am**

Voltage,

Niic niic baad meesh ku heysaa...the fact is your ilks dream of domination ended when Afweyne was sent packing beyond the Kenyan border in 1992. The Savage struggle that continued on afterward led to anarchy and famine: hence the international intervention in 1993, the generals leading Operation Restore Hope had their eyes on Farah Aydid who run Mogadishu to the ground with his rival Ali Mahdi, clearly the man had too much on his plate then to waste his energy on the desolated little Abudwaq you speak off here.

Abudwaq might have some imagery road in your head but it has none that I know off, the place is inaccessible and if it had any significance Gedo was Afweynes choice of refuge so unless your trying to sell us Abudwaq had more significance for USC just because of its few geeljire inhabitants then Galkayo, the seat of Abdullahi Yusuf and General Abshir Muuse I suggest you try selling that to another dumb Seattleite refugee.

lol @ "7 months before the USC attacked Gaalkacyo, they attacked Balanbale and Caabudwaaq."

And people wonder why I continue to insist your no more then a 20 year-old refugee living in Seattle who is trying too hard to pass for an expert in Somali affairs, I hate to burst your bubble but Afweyne was overthrown on the evening of 26 January 1991 and the attack on Galkayo followed the following month on February 26th 1991. Try googling it, the facts are out there cause unlike you I don't need to prove anything with bogus sources.

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:32 am**

I wish there was a yapp yapp yapp avator, but I guess I will settle for this one. One word: broken record

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