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[Kinetic]

This has been part of our Aqeedah for over 1400 years. If you disagree you are off the manhaj and must repent.

I demonstrate that I have sympathy for Muslims by showing jubilation whenever kufr die. An eye for an eye.

So without relying completely on the America (which has only existed for a few centuries, and been a superpower for even less)...all Muslims would be dead? Does that make any sense to you?

I don't think my ideology is compatible with any current leader of an Islamic country, so I'd disagree.

First, I like the off-manhaj critique you proposed. Aren't you the one who was propagating the falsehood that Islam is a religion which promotes Arab Ethnic supremacy? And when confronted with Allah's verses in the Quran and the prophet's sayings that clearly negate such notion, you replied with some Arabic paste you passed as Hadith, then went on to insist your fabricated lies? you tried to even challenge the meaning of the verse to defend your twisted claim. That is quite keeping your feet firmly on the manhaj I say

Saxib, you don't understand what is priority for muslims in these trying times. Somalia made the number one spot on the list of failed states. Should Somalis wage war on Westerners or build their country by coming together and solving their internal differences? Yemen is falling apart and the culprit is clan mentality coupled with government corruption. What should be their priority? Before Afghanistan was invaded, there was stability under the taliban. Despite their rule being harsh and cultural rather than islam-BASED, many Afghans prefered them for the security and stability they provided. They could avoid invasion by not harbouring Bin Laden. They were like you, unwise and oblivious to their weakness, full of themselves. Always threatening neighbouring countries. It didn't take a week before they were swept out of power and Afghanistan was reduced to the ground. Who is to blame? Them or America? Think about that for a moment.

[Kinetic]

Kinetic,

Your avatar gave me an idea. Move the capital to where you have the star. Dam the Shebelle below Beledweyne and divert the water for the new capital. Dry Mog up.

That would dry up many southern towns and farms. It won't be Muqdisho alone which will suffer the Dam. As moving the Capital, I agree, it should be in Hargeysa or Bosasso. Be done with muqdisho. One condition though, these clan fiefdoms give up clan mentality and declare All somalis are free to own, build, live and do as they please in those regions without giving the local clans priority over other somali clan members who settle outside those two regions, just as Somalia used to be pre-civil war.

[The Nomad]

First, I like the off-manhaj critique you proposed. Aren't you the one who was propagating the falsehood of Islam being a religion that promoted Arab Ethnic supremacy? And when confronted with Allah's verses in the Quran and the prophet's sayings, you replied with some Arabic paste you passed as Hadith, then went on to insist your fabricated lies? you tried to even challenge the meaning of the verse to defend your twisted proposition. That is quite keeping your feet firmly on the manhaj I say

Again, you are unable to differentiate between 'nobility' and 'supremacy', I provided incontrovertible evidence from numerous Shaykhs, posted Hadith in the original Arabic and English translations, with the chains of transmission and proved that all four founders of the Sunni Madhabs plus Shaykh al-Islam supported my viewpoint.

What verse from the Quran? You didn't provide a single verse.

Saxib, you don't understand what is priority for muslims in these trying times. Somalia made the number one spot on the list of failed states. Should Somalis wage war on Westerners or build their country by coming together and solving their internal differences? Yemen is falling apart and the culprit is clan mentality coupled with government corruption. What should be their priority? Before Afghanistan was invaded, there was stability under the taliban. Despite their rule being harsh and cultural rather than islam-BASED, many Afghans prefered them for the security and stability they provided. They could avoid invasion by not harbouring Bin Laden. They were like you, unwise and oblivious to their weakness, full of themselves. Always threatening neighbouring countries. It didn't take a week before they were swept out of power and Afghanistan was reduced to the ground. Who is to blame? Them or America? Think about that for a moment.

Somalia is not my issue, Yemen is unstable because of their demographic differences. Like I've stated in the past, differences in ideology, religion and politics must be rooted out before stability can be found. When the government righteously wipe out the Shia'a in their blessed Jihad, Yemen will regain their al-Khaleej status.

How was it "cultural" ? Greater intellects than you have attempted to argue this, the Taliban ruled Afghanistan with the iron fist of Sharia. If you disagree you are a modernist, no compromise.

The Taliban are WINNING the 'War on Terror', political pundits and high ranking military personal unanimously agree that the US is on it's way to a comprehensive defeat.

America is to blame. Anybody with an IQ above single figures knows this.

[Kinetic]

The Nomad , You must have forgotten about our exchange in that debate. I quoted Verse from the Quran and Hadith whereas you quoted superstitious lot with no evidence supporting your ethnic suppremacy argument for Arabs. The only Sheekhul Islam i know is Ibnu Taymiyah and I doubt he would support such Anti-Islam travesty.


It begs the question why are you here if you are not concerned with Somalia and somalis? Eveyone has a reason to be here, even nonsomalis, so what is your motive for being here if;

A- You are not Somali
B- You are not concerned with Somalia?


PS: Debating with you will not be a learning experience or advantageous, I am not gonna waste my time.

[The Nomad]

The Nomad You must have forgotten about our exchange in that debate. I quoted Verse from the Quran and Hadith whereas you quoted superitious lot with no evidence supporting your ethnic suppremacy argument for Arabs. The only Sheekhul Islam i know is Ibnu Taymiyah and I doubt he would support such Anti-Islam travesty.

No, I remember it quite well. You never quoted a single verse, you quoted a Hadith that you thought contradicted another statement the Nabi made when in reality it doesn't if you actually understand Arabic.

Do you want me to quote Ibn Taymiyyah's opinions regarding this topic right now?

Anti-Islam? You really are a modernist. Keep your bid'ah out of Islam, or you may end up on the road to apostasy. Take this as a warning.

It begs the question why are you here if you are not concerned with Somalia and somalis? Eveyone has a reason to be here, even nonsomalis, so what is your motive for being here if;

A- You are not Somali
B- You are not concerned with Somalia?

I seek to educate the people I share a common nationality with on a plethora of topics, first and foremost being Maakhir.

Both statements are correct. I am Maakhiri, and I am no more concerned regarding Somalia than I am about any other Muslim country. I follow Somali politics and events because unfortunately due to the destruction of our Sultanate they affect my people and I.

[The Nomad]

PS: Debating with you will not be a learning experience or advantageous, I am not gonna waste my time.

Concession accepted.

[Kinetic]

The Nomad, I am fasting, last thing I want is to lie, so i quoted a verse of the Quran and you disputed the english translation of one word in that verse. I also quoted for you the Hadith of Prophet's last Ceremony inwhich he said no Arab is better than Acjami. That is against what your so called sheekhul Islam is saying. Which one should we follow? The prophet or the man you quoted? That Hadith is in line with the Verse I quoted inwhich Allah stated that in the Eyes of Allah Almighty, the best among humans are those who are best in Deeds.


Maakhiris Aren't somalis? LOOL, Ilaahay nama waalo.


PS: I let you have the last word, and I pray for your guidance mate. You are strange to say the least. And yes, I must give concession to you as it were for I can not argue without objective on your end/part other than you to say the most outrageous things at the expense of your faith. You have no limits man.

[The Nomad]

The Nomad, I am fasting, last thing I want is to lie, so i quoted a verse of the Quran and you disputed the english translation of one word in that verse. I also quoted for you the Hadith of Prophet's last Ceremony inwhich he said no Arab is better than Acjami. That is against what your so called sheekhul Islam is saying. Which one should we follow? The prophet or the man you quoted? That Hadith is in line with the Verse I quoted inwhich Allah stated that in the Eyes of Allah Almighty, the best among humans are those who are best in Deeds.

No, you didn't quote a Quranic verse. If you did go back and check your post history and quote it. You do not understand Arabic. Superiority and nobility are not the same. Tadfil (the word the Nabi used when recounting his lineage and the merits of Arabs translates closest to 'nobility'. Which means there is no conflict between his last sermon and this Hadith.

No it isn't, there's no contradiction if you are literate in either English or Arabic. Yes, taqwa is the primary identifier of nobility, but to say lineage plays no part is akin to saying the Nabi (SAW) is a liar. Is that what you are saying?

Maakhiris Aren't somalis? LOOL, Ilaahay nama waalo.


PS: I let you have the last word, and I pray for your guidance mate. You are strange to say the least. And yes, I must give concession to you as it were for I can not argue without objective on your end other than to say the most outrageous things at the expense of you faith. You have no limits man.

Maakhiris are not Somalis. If you do not know much about my peoples history I am willing to educate you.

I don't care about the last word, this is a debate not a degenerate pissing match. Can you show me one statement I've made that is un-Islamic or condemned by the faith? Or are you making empty statements again?

Please pray for yourself and not somebody who is a shining example of Iman. Pray that the latent bid'ah in your heart does not consume you. Pray that as you grow older and wiser your arrogance diminishes. Pray that you one day, you understand Islam.