Infuriating Guardian article

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Loads of reasons. I dont support the recognition of artificial colonial borders, I dont think qabiil supremacy is a coherant basis for nationhood, I see secession as a success for Western neo-imperialist designs to fragment Somalia in order to weaken us for exploitation, I think secession is a betrayal of the thousands of Somali's who fought for a united Somalia against the British, Italians and Ethiopians. There are other reasons but they don't come to mind.

Somalis didn’t fight for a united Somalia Somalis fought the colonialist sii ay uga taggaan but this unity thing came much later , See as Djibouti they fought the French but never united with Somalia see the difference , All African borders are set by the colonialist but Somalis cant find a solution so they only option is aynu kalla tagno , hormarku taasu ku jiira

Djibouti is a completely different story. Somalia and Somalilanders are ethnically, socially, culturally and religiously homogeneous. Whats driving calls for secession are artificial colonial borders and Isaaq supremacy, that is what I find infuriating.

[IZNOGOOD]

Loads of reasons. I dont support the recognition of artificial colonial borders, I dont think qabiil supremacy is a coherant basis for nationhood, I see secession as a success for Western neo-imperialist designs to fragment Somalia in order to weaken us for exploitation, I think secession is a betrayal of the thousands of Somali's who fought for a united Somalia against the British, Italians and Ethiopians. There are other reasons but they don't come to mind.

Somalis didn’t fight for a united Somalia Somalis fought the colonialist sii ay uga taggaan but this unity thing came much later , See as Djibouti they fought the French but never united with Somalia see the difference , All African borders are set by the colonialist but Somalis cant find a solution so they only option is aynu kalla tagno , hormarku taasu ku jiira

Djibouti is a completely different story. Somalia and Somalilanders are ethnically, socially, culturally and religiously homogeneous. Whats driving calls for secession are artificial colonial borders and Isaaq supremacy, that is what I find infuriating.

You dont know what ur talking about

stop beggin the isaqis, they dont want you

[Crazy Cat Lady]

The whitman is a slow mofoker he is at last putting the dots together and seeing the bigger picture. Somalilands independence is beneficial to everyone concerned accept those who are selfish and hate progress...

Didn't you read the article? The author is clear in his reasoning for supporting secession, to turn Somaliland into the West's (in particular its old colonial master)stooge in East Africa. That Halgeel guy makes sense, he uses fact and logic in his arguments, maybe thats what threw you off.

[Crazy Cat Lady]

You dont know what ur talking about

stop beggin the isaqis, they dont want you

Enlighten me, how are we not homogeneous? (don't mention qabiil)

[The_Emperior5]

Djibouti is a completely different story. Somalia and Somalilanders are ethnically, socially, culturally and religiously homogeneous. Whats driving calls for secession are artificial colonial borders and Isaaq supremacy, that is what I find infuriating.

Actually its not Djibouti and Somaliland are much closer to each other then Somaliland then the koonfurians When we talk about socially ethnically culturally. I don’t think we have the same religious back ground as how Somalia today is in the hand of extremist Islamic fanatics. The islam of Somaliland is Tolerant friendly islam
Let me tell you how it failed Somaliland and Somalia only share a language nothing else they don’t share the same culture nor do they share the same history as Somaliland was part of the British empire and before that part of the ottoman empire and before that part of the walashma dynasty.
But sharing a language doesn’t make people a nation 23 arab states would become one country if a language united people.
Another issue is Somaliland and Somalia where one country for 31 years of those 31 years Somaliland was fighting 11 years against Somalia government what’s left 20 years. And Somaliland took back its independence in 1991 and are 18 years now independent country

[IZNOGOOD]

You dont know what ur talking about

stop beggin the isaqis, they dont want you

Enlighten me, how are we not homogeneous? (don't mention qabiil)

we are not--read emperiors post, hes right

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Actually its not Djibouti and Somaliland are much closer to each other then Somaliland and the koonfurians When we talk about socially ethnically culturally.

Explain this.

I don’t think we have the same religious back ground as how Somalia today is in the hand of extremist Islamic fanatics. The islam of Somaliland is Tolerant friendly islam

I think you'll find most Somali's practice tolerant friendly Islam, it's just we're under siege by armed fanatics-that doesn't mean they have widespread support for their crazy interpretation of Islam

Let me tell you how it failed Somaliland and Somalia only share a language nothing else they don’t share the same culture nor do they share the same history as Somaliland was part of the British empire and before that part of the ottoman empire and before that part of the walashma dynasty.

So you define yourself by which colonial power you were ruled over?

But sharing a language doesn’t make people a nation 23 arab states would become one country if a language united people.

Like I said, Its not just language.

Another issue is Somaliland and Somalia where one country for 31 years of those 31 years Somaliland was fighting 11 years against Somalia government what’s left 20 years. And Somaliland took back its independence in 1991 and are 18 years now independent country

And Its going to take even longer to reconcile Somalilanders to the notion of a federal Republic but we cant cement false divisions.

[The_Emperior5]

Explain this.

Well the clans that live in Djibouti live also in Somaliland and vica versa there are lots of somalilanders who have both Somaliland passport and Djiboutian and the other way around
Can you say that about the koonfurians I don’t think so

I think you'll find most Somali's practice tolerant friendly Islam, it's just we're under siege by armed fanatics-that doesn't mean they have widespread support for their crazy interpretation of Islam

Qadiriya sufi order and the salaixya sufi order where always the islam of Somaliland , these wahabi khawarjis is very unfarmiliar with us and we wish to stay far away from that kind of islam

So you define yourself by which colonial power you were ruled over?

I am just pointing out we didn’t share a history and to be honest I was just proofing the Somalia you want today never existed, its something we tried to create but it never existed there was never a Somalia state Even way before the colonialist came you lot where part of the ajuraan empire and we where part of the Walashma dynasty

Like I said, Its not just language.

No you didn’t we are not the same if we are talking about the culture of Somaliland and Politically we are not the same Socially we are not the same Historically we are not the same, Ethnically we are not the same

And Its going to take even longer to reconcile Somalilanders to the notion of a federal Republic but we cant cement false divisions.

How the hell are you going to do that there is a whole new generation never saw what Somalia was how it looked like .and they have been taught that those who where your so called brothers and sisters we united in 1960 with destroyed our country so how are you going to explain it they have never seen A Somalia ever .

[Ahmed-Gurey]

[quote="abdikarim86"

crazy cat markaa your opposed to s/land recognition

Yes.

why

Loads of reasons. I dont support the recognition of artificial colonial borders, I dont think qabiil supremacy is a coherant basis for nationhood, I see secession as a success for Western neo-imperialist designs to fragment Somalia in order to weaken us for exploitation, I think secession is a betrayal of the thousands of Somali's who fought for a united Somalia against the British, Italians and Ethiopians. There are other reasons but they don't come to mind.[/quote]


Crazy-Cat, you think far ahead.

The Isaaq clan exclusively settle the North Western region a.k.a in Somali Gobolka Waqooyi Galbeed. Waqooyi Galbeed is one of the 18 official regions of Somalia.
Isaaq are predominant also in Togdheer region except for the district of Buuhodle.

Other regions are principally peopled by non-Isaaq clans of pro-union political stance, at least above 80 percent.

Sool- Dhulbahante
Sanaag - Warsangeli
Awdal - Gadabiirs

Five(5) regions make up the former British Protectorate.

Other principles that is keeping Somalia's territorial integrity are,

1. "Somaliland had never transpired into a de jure. It was protectorate formed out of the Protection and Trade Treaties signed with important Somaliland Tribes

2. The Act of Union enunciating the forever union of British and Italian Somaliland after political Independence

3. Only a viable Government in Mogadishu can initiate and launch a nationwide referendum for its seperation. It will never happen.

4. Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two powerful U.S allies are extremely opposed to the illegal dismemberment of Somalia.

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Explain this.

Well the clans that live in Djibouti live also in Somaliland and vica versa there are lots of somalilanders who have both Somaliland passport and Djiboutian and the other way around
Can you say that about the koonfurians I don’t think so

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[The Nomad]

Secession from a legal standpoint is impossible, that is what matters.

[The_Emperior5]

Explain this.

Well the clans that live in Djibouti live also in Somaliland and vica versa there are lots of somalilanders who have both Somaliland passport and Djiboutian and the other way around
Can you say that about the koonfurians I don’t think so

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Do the people of somalia live in somaliland and vica versa i dont think so

[Ahmed-Gurey]

Secession from a legal standpoint is impossible, that is what matters.

But the Isaaqs don't claim that they are in the act of seceding.

They claim to be withdrawing from the union.

See the difference?

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Do the people of somalia live in somaliland and vica versa i dont think so

Not so much now obviously. My family is traces its history in Berbera, I would personally love to live there in the future, in a federal Somalia.

[The Nomad]

Secession from a legal standpoint is impossible, that is what matters.

But the Isaaqs don't claim that they are in the act seceding.

They claim to be withdrawing from the union.

See the difference?

Playing semantics does not change the fundamentals of the situation. Somaliland's secession or 'withdrawal from the union' it is in violation of multiple international laws, and regardless of pipe dreams or endorsement from two-bit newspapers, the facts remain. Somaliland will not be recognized.