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Those poor guys, they're never going to lead normal lives

Shirib wrote:that really sucks,

but as none of us know the real story, we can't pass judgment

Whatever the "story" is, it doesn't justify the punishment...

siren wrote:

Shirib wrote:that really sucks,

but as none of us know the real story, we can't pass judgment

Whatever the "story" is, it doesn't justify the punishment...

the punishment is in the Quran siren

Extremists sentence Somalis to amputations

MOGADISHU, Somalia — A court run by an extremist Islamic group sentenced four Somali men on Monday to each have a hand and a leg cut off for allegedly stealing mobile phones and guns. The ruling prompted an outcry from human rights activists.

The court that handed down the sentence in Somalia’s capital is run by al-Shabab, one of the nation’s most powerful insurgent groups. The U.S. considers al-Shabab a terrorist group with links to al-Qaida, which al-Shabab denies. The group, which controls much of Somalia, is trying to drive out the government and install a strict form of Islam.

“We have convicted them of theft, so they deserve to have their arms and legs amputated,” said Sheik Abdul Haq, the al-Shabab judge in the capital, Mogadishu.

Al-Shabab has carried out amputations and other punishments elsewhere in Somalia, but they are rare in the capital.

Amnesty International appealed to al-Shabab not to carry out the “cruel, inhuman and degrading punishments.”

“These sentences were ordered by a sham al-Shabab court with no due process or guarantees of fairness,” said Tawanda Hondora, Amnesty International’s Africa deputy director.

No date was set for the sentences to be carried out. Al-Sabab has been known to carry out stonings, executions and amputations in public outside Mogadishu.

The sentences came as the country’s president declared a state of emergency Monday as his fragile, U.N.-backed government struggled to quash a deadly Islamic insurgency.

President Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed said the declaration means “our forces are on full alert.” It was not clear what difference the declaration will make on the ground.

Somalia’s government is under attack by militants who want to topple the administration and install a strict Islamic state. A surge in violence in recent weeks, which diplomats said is a major push by the insurgents to force the government out of its Mogadishu strongholds, has killed about 225 people.

Last week, the national security minister and Mogadishu’s police chief were among those killed.

Somalia’s defense minister was supposed to be in Paris to meet with French government ministers Monday, but returned to Somalia instead because of “the degradation of the situation on the ground,” according to the French Foreign Ministry.

Somali lawmakers pleaded this weekend for immediate international military intervention from countries including Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti to help quash the insurgency. But there was no indication reinforcements would be forthcoming.

African Union Commission Chairman Jean Ping said in a statement that the Somali government “has the right to seek support from AU member states and the larger international community.”

But Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua said the neighboring country would not send troops, choosing instead to help Somalia “in other ways.” He did not elaborate.

There was no immediate word on whether other countries would answer the call. There already is an AU force in Mogadishu, but its mandate is restricted to guarding government officials and installations.

Nearly 126,000 people have fled their homes since May 7, according to the U.N. refugee agency. The United Nations says an estimated 3.2 million Somalis — almost half the country’s population — need food and other humanitarian aid.

Two years ago, Ethiopia deployed troops to support Somalia’s fragile, Western-backed government, but they were widely unpopular and finally withdrawn in January after the election of a new president. Last month Ethiopia sent in troops to the border regions of Somalia.

Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti are members of the Intergovernmental Authority on Development, a regional group that has led past peace talks on Somalia and last month imposed a sea and air blockade to stop supplies reaching the Islamic insurgents in Somalia. It is not clear whether the blockade is effective.

Somalia has not had an effective government since 1991 when the overthrow of a dictatorship plunged the country into chaos.

AP writers Samson Haileyesus in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and Tom Odula in Nairobi, Kenya, contributed to this report.
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Shirib wrote:

siren wrote:

Shirib wrote:that really sucks,

but as none of us know the real story, we can't pass judgment

Whatever the "story" is, it doesn't justify the punishment...

the punishment is in the Quran siren

Show me where it says it is okay to cut off feet as punishment?

siren wrote:Show me where it says it is okay to cut off feet as punishment?

Shirib wrote:

siren wrote:Whatever the "story" is, it doesn't justify the punishment...

the punishment is in the Quran siren

Show me where it says it is okay to cut off feet as punishment?

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter” [al-Maaidah 5:33]


The article said they were accused of armed robbery which is punishable by death, so Al Shabaab actually went easy on them, and gave them a lesser punishment

Shirib wrote:

siren wrote:

Shirib wrote:that really sucks,

but as none of us know the real story, we can't pass judgment

Whatever the "story" is, it doesn't justify the punishment...

the punishment is in the Quran siren

then why did you say 'that really sucks'


Shirib so a fornicator can also have hands and feet amputated according to your & Shabab's understanding of that verse.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:then why did you 'that really sucks'

cause it really sucks to not have an arm and a foot wouldn't u agree?

they fail to bring amn and salamah and gootol youm to the people and now they cutting their legs and hands!!!!

parieties ba dakan ka maqan.
deenti o idil rahmah and salam aheyd bey 3iqaab ka digeen.


shaking my head!!

Enlightened~Sista wrote:Shirib so a fornicator can also have hands and feet amputated according to your & Shabab's understanding of that verse.

Nah the verse is clear and it has been outlined by scholars long before Al Shabaab came

fornicators get flogging if unmarried, and stoning if married, provided the evidence is there

Now neither u and I were present or really knows what happened, so lets refrain from passing judgement okay

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion of the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter. {Surat Al Maa'ida verse 33}

Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case know that Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful { Surat Al Maa'idah verse 34}


Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil. Ibn Jarir recorded that `Ikrimah and Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that...
''whoever among them repents before you apprehend them, then you have no right to punish them''

allah knows best

jeylaani c/qaadir one of the four guys on the picture said in interview that he was construction worker and he used to do some work for the AMISOM,and alshabaab warned him few times told him to stop working for gaalada and he ignored their warning then this had happened to him.

This is so wrong in so many levels..As we know these kind of punishment were carried out rarely even in the times of the prophet SCW,Huduuud laws are applicable only when you have a functioning state and a pure society with stability,welfare etc....but what do these guys have? people are starving and all they care about is amputating their opponents for political reasons...this clearly outlines the evil nature of alshababs.

Diyeeshaha_Tolka wrote:jeylaani c/qaadir one of the four guys on the picture said in interview that he was construction worker and he used to do some work for the AMISOM,and alshabaab warned him few times told him to stop working for gaalada and he ignored their warning then this had happened to him.

Bal eeg the complete stupidity of this AL shabaab, How's a man suppose to make some earnings, if you're informing him to cease working for the gaalo, when in fact that's all he's got. Instead of worrying about cutting people's body parts and how to structure people's lives, how about starting some jobs for starters, building roads, and pretty much fixing whatever's got a chip or a crack.