Shocking fatwas from Scholars of the Past.

[sadeboi]

THIS IS WHY I DO NOT LIKE THIS GIRL AND HER HIDDEN AGENDA OF BADMOUTHING NOBLE AND WELL RENOWN SCHOLARS SUCH AS SHIEKH IBN TAYMIYAA.

The first is correct, in that anyone can understand the love they speak of, it's the love for a person of the opposite sex to an extreme. In which the love you have for ALLAH is replaced by a love for a mere human. Some people left the religion because of the extreme love they have for someone. In Islam you are taught to love and respect your parents, but even they, whom gave you birth, you should love Allah more. You know there are people oo la daho, jecel bey uu dhimteen, jeeceel bey la jiradeen, nin gaal bey jeclaatey oo weeye carartey, naag gaalo bu bartey oo wuxu yiri Muslim am ahi anymore. All these stuff happen, because the love reserved for ALLAH mostly and your family is overtaken by one individual. That is what the first ruling speaks of.


The second, is blasphemous. Anything should be answered if asked no?

[RuralMan08]

I see nothing wrong with these answers. The first is addressing an issue which many people are confused about. Which is love and the second is talking about a myth which has been mortalised. There is never any stupid question, these Shuyookh have to answer every question showing full respect and sincerity to the questioner even though he might be laughing underneath.

Dont be so foolish

[ModerateMuslim]

These Shuyuukh past and present are making a mockery of the religion. We need to distance ourselves from these scholars, and their literature.

you're the greatest helper of your brother the shaytan on this forum along with your american-sufi brother in shirk and nifaq. and you've made a fool out of yourself in your treacherous attempt to slander and distance the scholars of ahl-us-sunnah from the laymen. utterly ridiculous and stupid for a jahil like yourself to slander the most beloved and knowledgeable scholars of ahl-us-sunnah - in particular shaykh al-islam, ibn qayyim, al-nawawi, ibn hamza - on the basis of al-islam. what a fool you're! it'd be laughable if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

and are these links the best you'd do in your search to slander our scholars? so really, your cursed search has only yielded these links?

anyways, what's so wrong and ridiculous about what these noble scholar have said on these links? aren't virtually everything from the sea halal for us to eat, even if it was slaughtered by a mushrik ala a sufi, shia, jew, hindu, etc? and not only is metaphysical love a sickness but it's also primitive, barbaric, backward and utterly meaningless! real love - and the only kind of love that exist outside of the sick and primitive mind of men - is love for allah swt and to love what he swt loves and to hate what he swt hates.

If the heart loves Allaah alone and is sincerely devoted to Him, it will not even think of loving anyone else in the first place, let alone falling in love. When a heart falls in love, that is due to the lack of love for Allaah alone. Hence because Yoosuf loved Allaah and was sincerely devoted to Him, he did not fall into the trap of love, rather Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Thus it was, that We might turn away from him evil and illegal sexual intercourse. Surely, he was one of Our chosen, (guided) slaves”

[Yoosuf 12:24]

but alas, no reasoning with you for allah swt has sealed your heart with sickness and nifaq.

[Grant]

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/osama_sect.htm

Ibn Taymiyya invented takfiir in order to justify the defense of his beloved Damascus against the recently converted Mongols. He was opposed by the Caliph and virtually all of the scholars of his time, who had over six hundred years of Islamic practice on their side.

Abdul Wahaab expanded the concept of Takfiir to include a definition of shirk that is in clear opposition to all early Islamic practice as it relates to mosque burial and the visitation of graves. His theology was used by the Saud/Wahaab clan to eliminate the Ottoman Caliph, defeat the Sharif of Mecca, and establish royal Islam in the Arabian penninsula.

Sayyid Qutb was an Egyptian nationalist who demonized all things non Islamic and expanded takfiir to include all Muslims who did not subscribe to his particular theological and political views, which are essentially Fascist, or at least totalitarian in the sense that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were totalitarian.

Put these guys in perspective: they are all narrowly tribalist, and certainly not within the limits of historic Islam.

[RuralMan08]

Is it fair that insignificant people on this forum have the right to insult the likes of Ibn Taymiyaah, Ibn Abdul Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb??

[ModerateMuslim]

Ibn Taymiyya invented takfiir in order to justify the defense of his beloved Damascus against the recently converted Mongols.

honestly, you're making a joke out of yourself




in all seriousness. you're a kaffir; and by me acknowledging this i've made takfeer of you and, more importantly, also kept my faith intact.

[Grant]

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph ... ke_up_cal/

It's a case of the Najd versus the Hejaz. The Wahabbiis are so secure in their faith they don't dare leave a stone unturned.

[*Nobleman*]

Nobleman, is love between men and women unnatural? a sickness? What does Allah s.w.t say in the Qur'an?


And among His Signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He put love and mercy between your hearts. Verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." [Sûrah Rûm: 21]


This is what the Islamqa scholar had to say about Love

Love and infatuation between the sexes are among the worst of problems.

It is sufficient to note that one of the effects of love of a member of the opposite sex is enslavement of the heart which is held captive to the loved one. So love is a door that leads to humiliation and servility. That is sufficient to put one off this sickness.


Ibn Taimiyyah clearly had very weird views as evidenced from the first fatwa.

Love is a psychological sickness, and if it grows strong it affects the body, and becomes a physical sickness, either as diseases of the brain, which are said to be diseases caused by waswaas, or diseases of the body such as weakness, emaciation and so on.

If a man is in love with a woman, even if she is permissible for him, his heart remains enslaved to her, and she can control him as she wishes, even though outwardly he appears to be her master, because he is her husband; but in fact he is her prisoner and slave, especially if she is aware of his need and love for her. In that case, she will control him like a harsh and oppressive master controls his abject slave who cannot free himself from him. Rather he is worse off than that, because enslavement of the heart is worse than enslavement of the body.

Your taking it out of context. Read the question its says 'love between a man and a women from afar', suggesting that it is love between a women and man that is not her mahram. Also you are well renowed for reading and accepting what you like and ignoring what you dislike. Also you conveniently forgot to quote:


loving a non-mahram woman leads to many negative consequences, the full extent of which is known only to the Lord of people. It is a sickness that affects the religious commitment of the sufferer, then it may also affect his mind and body. End quote

Attachment to the opposite sex will not happen to a heart that is filled with love of Allaah; it only affects a heart that is empty and weak, so it is able to gain control of it, then when it becomes strong and powerful it is able to defeat the love of Allaah and lead the person into shirk. Hence it is said: Love is the action of an empty heart.

If the heart is devoid of the love and remembrance of the Most Merciful, and is a stranger to speaking to Him, it will be filled with love of women, images and listening to music.

[RuralMan08]

Only the people we know as Salafis/Wahhabis are upon the right path, the rest are misguided.

[*Nobleman*]

New one to add to your list ' we must distance ourselves from scholars of the past' example cited ibn tammiyah (agreed to be one of the greatest scholars).

answering nobleman's call this is dedicated to him since he hates our sunni scholars and posted many criticisms of them. let us put him to the test and c if he as a new moderator will give other muslims to air their views about his scholars. this is sunni video exposing the claims of the wahabi's highest scholar ibn taymimah. enjoy.

Your video and article have as much credibility as a sober alcoholic. What do you mean by other muslims? Air your views as you please, your the one accountable for them, not me. Also your article is ridiculous, that is a well known and accepted shia practice known as mutah, temporary marriage which has been rejected and hated by sunni scholars.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/1373/temporary%20marriage

[*Nobleman*]

ES- you never stop with these shock posts do you? I dont know why you come with such rash statements, just to please your virtual freinds, who u'll probably never meet.

New one to add to your list ' we must distance ourselves from scholars of the past' example cited ibn tammiyah (agreed to be one of the greatest scholars).

War wa attention seeking drama queen, dont pay her no attention.
She is not qualified to pass judgment on scholars who have spent their whole lifetime reaching their end conclusion.

Her American suffi, and a few others are swimming with the fishes..

Yeah bro i'm well aware of her tactics. She wants to be known as a free thinking individual and tries to provoke people into argument.

[*Nobleman*]

THIS IS WHY I DO NOT LIKE THIS GIRL AND HER HIDDEN AGENDA OF BADMOUTHING NOBLE AND WELL RENOWN SCHOLARS SUCH AS SHIEKH IBN TAYMIYAA.

The first is correct, in that anyone can understand the love they speak of, it's the love for a person of the opposite sex to an extreme. In which the love you have for ALLAH is replaced by a love for a mere human. Some people left the religion because of the extreme love they have for someone. In Islam you are taught to love and respect your parents, but even they, whom gave you birth, you should love Allah more. You know there are people oo la daho, jecel bey uu dhimteen, jeeceel bey la jiradeen, nin gaal bey jeclaatey oo weeye carartey, naag gaalo bu bartey oo wuxu yiri Muslim am ahi anymore. All these stuff happen, because the love reserved for ALLAH mostly and your family is overtaken by one individual. That is what the first ruling speaks of.


The second, is blasphemous. Anything should be answered if asked no?

Apparently she has more knowledge then renowed scholars who dedicated their life to aquiring knowledge.

[Grant]

From the link above:

"During this year, 2006, the extent of the destruction of historic Islamic monuments has come to light with devastating impact. It is now estimated that more than 90 per cent of historic mosques, mausoleums and other artefacts have been erased from the face of the earth, to the extent that some Saudi voices, especially from the Hejaz, have begun to question the wisdom of the eradication of the country’s historic wealth. The policy of destruction and enmity to anything that is of symbolic value has now crossed the borders of Saudi Arabia to other countries. The destruction in February 2006 of the ninth-century tomb of Samarra in Iraq has extended the boundaries of this policy to other parts of the Arab and Muslim world. There is now a growing fear that other monuments and mausoleums in Iraq and elsewhere may be targeted by elements loyal to the Salafi School of Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al Wahabi, the godfather of the most destructive force in the Muslim world."

[American-Suufi]

Put these guys in perspective: they are all narrowly tribalist, and certainly not within the limits of historic Islam.

indeed grant and they only appeal to other tribalists like somalis and afghani pashtun tribalists. if u check the clans and regional forums on this website, you will only find them attacking each other with jaahiliya tribal and inter tribal rivalries. that is y they adore these saudi wahabi takfiri shuyukhs, the tribe is supreme. tribalist somali mentality. i never saw enlightened post tribal war threads, infact she finds it stinking, but she refutes these wahabi scholars who have no feet to stand and appeal only to the writings of other tribalists saudi shuyukhs. check out some of their posts.

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Emperor dont re-write history in-order to paint your tribesmen as nights in shinning armor, the war was for power and money. Tuur was a greater man then both of those men you mentioned his conviction and courage to support what he believed in till the end speaks volumes about his integrity. The Mujahid put a shift in for Isaaq's he put his money were his mouth was.
But the other two were Afweyenes lackeys till close to the end which is when they changed sides. When Isaaq's were at the bottom of the food chain in somalia politics they showed no solidarity but when Isaaq's dismantled the old government and became the most powerful group in somali, they changed sides. Forgive me for being suspicious but that looks and smells like opportunistic to me.

Ps, I'm not afraid to admit my tribe and Silanyo in particular made a big error in joining the fight instead of mediating, but the old fault lines of HY and HJ suspicion were always there for anyone to take advantage of. You've only got to look at somaliland today and the way the goat Riyaale is checkmating one against the other, and his an amateur with no political history. Imagine two well experience diplomats like Igaal and Carte, it was almost a gift horse..

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Dolaal was killled by his inaadheer who works for the ethiopian embassy in London. Then reer warfa wanted a reer cabdile vs reer Isaaq show down it never happened cos all reer cabdille refused and this clowns were left to fight own their own but could not as they are circus clowns.

what does that have to do with anything?

and reer warfaa don't need anyone to take on the langaab reer-isaaq.

look at this thread. It is marexaan against ogaden alshabab threads.

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check this thread

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Abu bakar al-zaylaci

Mukhtaar

THis is why Al Shabaab will win the Jihad Allahu Akbar!!!!

If Al Shabaab was run by reero Konfuur victory would never come.

[American-Suufi]

New one to add to your list ' we must distance ourselves from scholars of the past' example cited ibn tammiyah (agreed to be one of the greatest scholars).

answering nobleman's call this is dedicated to him since he hates our sunni scholars and posted many criticisms of them. let us put him to the test and c if he as a new moderator will give other muslims to air their views about his scholars. this is sunni video exposing the claims of the wahabi's highest scholar ibn taymimah. enjoy.

Your video and article have as much credibility as a sober alcoholic. What do you mean by other muslims? Air your views as you please, your the one accountable for them, not me. Also your article is ridiculous, that is a well known and accepted shia practice known as mutah, temporary marriage which has been rejected and hated by sunni scholars.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/1373/temporary%20marriage

mutah is different and expires a certain date. don't scream but learn. if you can't understand arabic, i will help you.

watch the video and refute it. you worship abu taymiyah and the wahabi doctrine which has no credibility among the majority of muslims except for illiterate tribal nomads like pashtuns, somalis and former criminal converts who were bought their belief with petro$$$$.