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HutuKing01 wrote: Yes ,and only if there is strong evidence that the apostate co-worked with the enemies of that country. If such evidence cant be found,then he should be left alone.Stronger: a church/synagogue should be built for him because he/she falls under ahlelkitab which must be protected

This is what happens when non-descendants of Banu Hashim attempt to discuss religious matters.

The term 'People of the Book', does not apply to today's Christians and Jews. The term was made null and void when Muhammed (SAW) was received.

i thought they get killed only if they do shid against muslims

abdikarim86 wrote:i thought they get killed only if they do shid against muslims

That is a common misconception, apostasy is a sin punishable by death. There is no chance of them being born into Christianity, therefore the execution is justified.

Anybody who says otherwise does not speak for Islam.

The Nomad wrote:

HutuKing01 wrote: Yes ,and only if there is strong evidence that the apostate co-worked with the enemies of that country. If such evidence cant be found,then he should be left alone.Stronger: a church/synagogue should be built for him because he/she falls under ahlelkitab which must be protected

This is what happens when non-descendants of Banu Hashim attempt to discuss religious matters.

The term 'People of the Book', does not apply to today's Christians and Jews. The term was made null and void when Muhammed (SAW) was received.

You telling me the christians and jews didnt exist back then,ofcourse they did?It existed before islam.
That must be biggest lie.

They enjoy the protection as long the apostates dont work with the enemies.
That is what the hadith says.


How would u feel if muslims and reverts were killed because of their beliefs. You would surely call it intolerance. Strange you expect the kuffars to treat u well,but u dont treat them well in your own country.

^^^ Hadith says whoever changes their religion kill them, this is the ruling by all four madhabs of Islam for men, while some of the madhabs say women have the possibility of being locked up

HutuKing01 wrote:
You telling me the christians and jews didnt exist back then,ofcourse they did?It existed before islam.
That must be biggest lie.

They enjoy the protection as long the apostates dont work with the enemies.
That is what the hadith says.

Are you illiterate? I said the Sabeans and Jews who existed before Muhammed (SAW) and the perfection of our deen are ahl al-Kitab, the term was made defunct with the descender of the Nabi. Those post-Islam are kufr no different to Hindus or Sikhs who's abode will be Jahanam.

What Hadith? Do you know what you're saying?

my congrats to al-shabab,,, well done

The Nomad wrote:

HutuKing01 wrote:
You telling me the christians and jews didnt exist back then,ofcourse they did?It existed before islam.
That must be biggest lie.

They enjoy the protection as long the apostates dont work with the enemies.
That is what the hadith says.

Are you illiterate? I said the Sabeans and Jews who existed before Muhammed (SAW) and the perfection of our deen are ahl al-Kitab, the term was made defunct with the descender of the Nabi. Those post-Islam are kufr no different to Hindus or Sikhs who's abode will be Jahanam.

What Hadith? Do you know what you're saying?

Wuxuu ku hadlayo fiiriya doqonkaan.
Are you telling me,the jews and christians of today didnt exist back then?
What were the ethiopians? Werent they not christians and did they not believe in jesus to be divine?Ahlel kitab is a term used specially for christians and jews,smartguy.
If you had any knowledge you would know what hadith iam talking about.

HutuKing01 wrote: Are you telling me,the jews and christians of today didnt exist back then?

You are illiterate. The Christians of today are polytheist, back then the trinity doctrine did not exist, and when it did, those who subscribed to it where not classified as Ahl al-Sunnah. When Muhammed (SAW) was received, the Jews and Sabeans where expected to accept him as their Nabi, this is why the Yahud are disliked in the sight of Allah.

What were the ethiopians? Werent they not christians and did they not believe in jesus to be divine?Ahlel kitab is a term used specially for christians and jews,smartguy.
If you had any knowledge you would know what hadith iam talking about.

The Ethiopians were Christian. Who said otherwise? Ahl al-Kitab the way you're using it is redundant, it grants them no favor, they will have the same punishment as any other kufr. This is simple.

I am completely aware of the Hadith you are referring to. I am merely waiting for you to post it and amuse everybody with your pitiful interpretation of Hadith.

This proofs only that we will never agree on religion neither on siyaasad.Alhamdulillaah for that.
Quran al kariim is for me enough and hadiths which says kill apostate only if the forsakes the muslim ummah and goes to the enemies.

HutuKing01 wrote:This proofs only that we will never agree on religion neither.Alhamdulillaah for that.
Quran al kariim is for me enough and hadiths which says kill apostate only if the forsakes the muslim ummah and goes to the enemies.

Stubborn ciyaal, this is a free education, make use of it.

You do know that editing religious texts is bid'ah and a sin? It doesn't say anything about become a harbi, mere apostasy is punished by execution.

RIP to the Somali guy.

HutuKing01 wrote:This proofs only that we will never agree on religion neither on siyaasad.Alhamdulillaah for that.
Quran al kariim is for me enough and hadiths which says kill apostate only if the forsakes the muslim ummah and goes to the enemies.

Are u more learned and knowledgeable of Islam then the likes of Imaam, Hanafi, Shafici, Hanbali and Maliki? Because they all agree that apostates should be killed