Somali History (Educate me please)

[Cinque Mtume]

Aabo Yoonis are Geri Koombe and they're from Jigjiga. I'm part Aabo Yoonis from mother's side. It's a wadaad clan and they intermarry most with Jidwaaq Darods.

[Warsame101]

A question:

I know of a section of darood (daarjire) who settle arabsiyo & its surroundings and deeply intermarry with their sacad muuse neighbors. I am curious to know what sub clan of daarod these people belong to, would they be a faction of dhulbahante as some have said? Another thing I have noticed is that somaliland or nothern somalia is home to all the major somali tribes and more, from the hawiye (fiqishini), daarood, isaaq, gadabuursi ciise, akishe and other dir madhibaan etc...this actually reminds me of some old maps I once saw , showing a northern range for some somali clans who now live in the deep south, like the mareexan...Does this mean that the somali's population of the horn of africa proceeded from the north to the south or is it not as simple as that? And if this is the case, the southernmost somalis and other related groups would then be (relatively) recent arrivals to those areas? How then do people like the kenyan rendille who seem to be related and at the same time antecedent to the somalis fit into this equation?

I have never heard of Daarjire, so can't help you out there. There is a theory that Somalis originally originated from North Somalia and expanded gradually in to the Southern regions. However, several Somalis such as the Ajuuraan and Raxanweyn inhabited the South for centuries and could be classified as the indigenous Somalis from those areas.

I know that the Ajuuraan had a mega kingdom a couple centuries back, but I don't know about the rest. The Daarood expanded in to South Somalia in the early 18th century. There is a treatise by a British guy who titled it 'The Daarood invasion: an account of the movement of Daarood Somalis into Jubaland, and the Northern Frontier District of Kenya.' Though I didn't had the pleasure to read it.

Rendille are related to the Boranos who are in turn Oromos. They use to inhabit South Somalia before they were driven by the Somali. They are distinctively related to the Somalis and in fact, there was a frequent intermarriage between them as recently as 200 years ago.

[Voltage]

Rendiile are an aggregate people, with lineages from Gabbra and Sakuye which have been adopted into the Rendiile nation.

The namesake and original Rendiile however, are Gardheere Samaale. Their closest relatives in Somalia are the Dabarre and Iroole, who today claim Digil, but are also Gardheere Samaale.

I no longer believe that the "Galla" who were conquered by the Ajuuraan and later by the Ogaden and Marehan were ever what today we call Oromos. They were simply Somalis who were not muslims. The evidence points to one place, Gardheere Samaale.

It explains two great mysteries. Gardheere Samaale are a great nation, yet every clan has been absorbed by different clans. Some have become Digil, others Hawiye. The Rendiile never lost their holy books, they never had them to begin with, they were always followers of Waaqafeena.

To admit this though was historically impossible because to do so would invalidate the myth that Samaale was an Arabian shiekh from Egypt, or that Hiil, his father was a Yemeni cousin of Darood, or any number of other theories.

James Dhal can you please add "these are my theories" before any of your posts no offense. The thing is when what you write is not rooted in established history, it is best you announce them as your theories. They are very interesting btw.

[djibsomali]

an other person who have seen that this old fat white texas man called James Dahl is just a crap web bullshit recycler.
i busted him a month ago and was hoping that he will never comes back.

[Voltage]

DjibSomali why do you always insult before saying something?

[Tegaru]

His premises are generally correct, actually. Doing your own research instead of taking whatever you shear at face value would obviously be the best choice, but as far as sources on this particular subject come, James is decent.

[Voltage]

Your name is Ethiopian and you joined last Sunday. Even if this is all irrelavant, I have been a member here as long as James has and I have read everything he writes about Somalis. I have yet to see a source anywhere. What sources?

[abdikarim86]

Thanks Kambuli, I am new at this


Dhaga, they sure do...it was some bah gobo kinsman of mine who told me of this relationship with the daaljire. Aabo Yoosinkuna waa qoloma?

Aaabo yonis are Daarood ( I don't know which clan). They intermarry Nuux Ismacill, Ahmed and gadiid precisely. Cumar Carte, Jurde Hussien kuligood waxaa dhalay Aabo Yonis.

I have relations with Daarjire. They're gogal wanaag and Arabsiyo natives.

How about Maxbuub? They're Hawiye, I guess, but they intermarry with Reer Shirdoon.

they are geri .....they intermarry mostly with jidwaaqs and sacad muuses from jigjiga
they have some sort of relationship with the jaarso from babille

i always thought they were sacad muuse
since a lot of relatives are from that clan

[Tegaru]

Your name is Ethiopian and you joined last Sunday. Even if this is all irrelavant, I have been a member here as long as James has and I have read everything he writes about Somalis. I have yet to see a source anywhere. What sources?

As have I, both on this site and on other forums which he contributes to. Join dates are not indication of how long you have been here, nor does longevity make your opinions any more credible.

Basic extrapolation is all that is required for the majority of the conclusions he draws, in conjunction with commonly accepted information a lot of which is supported by evidence.

There's no need to preface everything he writes with disclaimers, as by virtue of the fact that we are discussing a subject for which very little substantial proof is available, that is a given.

[James Dahl]

I am not averse at all to providing sources.

Le sang et le lait: brève histoire des clans somali By Christian Bader, the only reliable book on the subject. There is a section on Rendille that discusses both the Rendille Yer and Rendille Weyn, the various clans they adopted into the Rendille nation and their origins, and the descent of their eponymous ancestor from 'Irroole.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=pLFETPh ... q=&f=false

Further in the book, Christian Bader further analyses the ancestry of 'Irroole in further sections identifying him as a descendant of 'Umar Maatay and ultimately Sab.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=b3xUnKM ... ar&f=false

However the 'Irroole trace Maatay as a son of Digil, whereas other descendants of Maatay, such as the Degodia, state differently. In a Degodia abtiris I have read, Maatay's father is Riyale Garjante Gardheere, not Digil, so there is something of a controversy here.

[Muhammad bin Harti]

Daroods ruled with an iron fist for 600+ years. Hutus got angry. The lock on their cage was opened by Isaaqs, and all hell was set loose. Isaaqs break off, and align with the state of israel. Hawiyes align with the Tora Bora. Daroods are still supporting Somalinimo.

End of story.

[Macow236]

Skippa,

We moved south from the North dislodging the Oromo. Abgaal is buried not to far away from berbera.

yes its trua that prince cali osman is buried in
sheikh close to berbera. but the prince was going to Xij and that time thier was now Airplanes
so he travalled up to north to take a boat but before he arriva to maka and madino the prince die.

[Xamud.]

Cinque
Your reer abtis are Geri?

Skippa
I know this family who`s Murule and I have been told that they are born and breed in Arabisyo or was it Gabiley? I always thought they were Issaq but no, apparently there`s loads of them in that area.

[James Dahl]

James Dhal can you please add "these are my theories" before any of your posts no offense. The thing is when what you write is not rooted in established history, it is best you announce them as your theories. They are very interesting btw.

You are correct of course, they are theories like any other. Only God knows for sure.

[HELWAA]

Aabo Yoonis are Geri Koombe and they're from Jigjiga. I'm part Aabo Yoonis from mother's side. It's a wadaad clan and they intermarry most with Jidwaaq Darods.

Reer sheekh aabo yoonisku hargeysa iyo berberaba way dagaan.Ur mother is aabyoonis?I probably know you.

Damn this place is full of relatives.