On what grounds can Christianity..

[paidmonk]

Closet homosexuality is not exactly condoned but it can't be condemned either on the grounds that sometimes people can't control their minds or the culture/environment they were raised in, take that into account. So long as he keeps these natural human urges and longings away from his actions and those around him, he's on a straight path.

[The Nomad]

Women are the reason why sin exists. Original sin is a rational concept, go do some research on it.

As for the Middle Eastern practice, young men are generally androgynous so it is an alternative.

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Khanis.

[The Nomad]

I meant it's an alternative in that particular culture.

This is off topic, anyway, the discussion revolves around Christianity and the permissibility, or even endorsement of homosexuality.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Akhas! Akhas! Akhas! Akhas!
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

''If you want a haliq'' -- a boy for sex -- ''you have to follow the boy for a long time before he will agree,'' said Mr. Daud, smiling at Mr. Fareed in a hostel in Kandahar where the two consented to give an interview.

''At first he was afraid, so I bought him some chocolate and gave him a lot of money,'' said Mr. Daud, laughing. ''I went step by step and after about six or seven months, he agreed.''

Disgusting isnt it? It's very common in Pakistan as well especially in the Pashtun/Pathaan regions, in fact there was a wedding there a few years ago.These paedophile old married men groom and seduce these little boys until they fall for them..then after making a deal with the little boy's parents..inaka guriga ayuu usoo fadhiistaa ..along with the wife of the man and the kids, when he wants the wife dushuu qabtaa markuu inanka yar rabona hoostuu usoo dagaa. Those little boys will then groom other boys when they become older. It's like a vicious cycle, & it's become part & parcel of the culture of these people.

[Crazy Cat Lady]

ES, wallahi these people are warped. My only reaction is AKHAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Basra-]

ES

Well blame that on the biological design of the human man. Str8 biological man is designed to be sexually excited at innocence and youth. Young boys and young girls fit this picture. The real test is to reject these urges and there is where Islam comes in. The rejecter of these feelings is a hero.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Basra do you believe people are born paedophiles?


Crazy I know..it's sickening. I hate broaching this topic amongst my Pakistani or Afghan friends. This is their business and only they can put an end to these ugly custom.

[Basra-]

ES


no i dont believe pedophiles are born that way, i believe people are born with weakness and dispositions. human str8 males are attracted to youth and innocense.First choise of course would be --- 'would be' molesters to go for the youth girls, but since society has strict eye on girls and protect them-- the opportunities are not that plenty. however-- the male youth are very convenient and typically not seen as a threat or possible victims of pedophiling, therefore these pedophiles target them in hope excersize their desires-- which is youth and innocence.


That is why i reject the WHOLE notion of SEX in general. The premise of SEX is general is perverse. Man is most sexually arroused or attracted to-- by the most effeminate, youthful, innocense of women.(children women are the most attractive and children men the second best and convenient) The most weakest is an allurement for the genetalia mr happy! . Weakness is an aphrodisiac for the potency of the mans organ. And thus why the sheytaan first seduced Eve and not adam to eat the forbidden apple. EVE was an afterthought of an Orginal creation, obviously, adam therefore is stronger, and but not necessarily smarter.


So- the dysmal truth in the end is--- procreation is predicated from the result of weak submissive women and Sexually dysfunctional man who cannot get it up unless induced with moanings of fake orgasms to suits his libido and purpose.


SO NO---ES pedophiles are not born that way-- they are subject to human man nature of attractions to youth and innocence and the existance of sheytaan/devil who takes advantage of this perceived weakness.