Advice for Palestinians

[FAH1223]

^ shaaqo la'aan

[The Nomad]

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have stolen that tactic

Yeah, because the 50 or so Orthodox Jews in existence are going to take Israel from below replacement rate to veritable overpopulation.

For those who don't understand, nobody said the numbers will make a difference in warfare, they will, however, when it comes to voting.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Mashallah,she got your eyes

[ModerateMuslim]

hitler was right. the poor and defenseless palestinians, in the heart of the ummah, have been deserted by their cowardly so-called muslim brothers.

”I am in no way willing that here in the heart of Germany a second Palestine should be permitted to arise. The poor Arabs are defenseless and deserted. The Germans in Czechoslovakia are neither defenseless nor are they deserted, and people everywhere should take notice of that fact.”

--Hitler on his unwillingness to let the Sudetenland become another Palestine.

[AbdiWahab252]

Nomad,

Who said that they would be given the vote ?

You can't compare the Apartheid South Africa to Israel in terms of existing for the long term. The Israelis are not a small minority like the white ruling class of RSA nor are the Israelis internationally isolated like the Apartheid regime. The Israelis have strong backers and friends in Europe and the US. Those allies have incredible influence over their archenemies: the Arabs which the Israelis use to counter any potential threat. Add in the generous subsidies received from the US/EU, the Israelis are in an enviable position unlike the Palestinians and Arabs.

[The Nomad]

Nomad,

Who said that they would be given the vote ?

Given? They already have the vote.

If you mean it may be rescinded in the case of 'Jews' becoming minorities in their own country, it is extremely unlikely. The majority of liberal Western countries without a strong Jewish lobby support Israel solely on the basis that it is seen as the only legitimate democracy in the Middle East.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

The only advice I would give to the palestinians is to gather up all able bodied men and arm them ready to attack the Israeli army in israeli populates areas - thus keeping innocent palestinians from being shelled. This may seem suicidal, but what does it matter they already carry out suicide attacks, which they know is haraam. I say attack the army only and spare civilians as this isn't the right way in jihad.

[AbdiWahab252]

Nomad,

The Palestinians (West Bank/Gaza) don't have the vote to sway things in Israel. Nor will the Israelis allow the minority Arabs in their state to attain numerical superiority by boosting immigration of Jews to Israel.

As for the Western nations, the guilt of the Holocaust is enough to blunt anything counter to the Israeli interest.

Again, the Palestinians and Arabs are effectively rendered unable to change the status quo for the next hundred years unless the Western allies weaken or the Arab states are to attain strong, popular regimes that serve the interests of their states not of the ruling family.

[Mad May]

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have stolen that tactic

Yeah, because the 50 or so Orthodox Jews in existence are going to take Israel from below replacement rate to veritable overpopulation.

For those who don't understand, nobody said the numbers will make a difference in warfare, they will, however, when it comes to voting.

The Haredi's do present a demographic challenge in Israel. Right now they represent 11% of Jews in Israel laakin at the right these mofos breed (like Somali's a woman will have 6-8 kids ) by 2020 they will represent 20% of Israel's Jewish population, more probably. They are nutters, no TV, strict sexual segregation etc. I saw a documentary where they harrassed a liberal Israeli woman because she sat in the front of the bus with the men, they're destroying the secular state from within

[The Nomad]

Nomad,

The Palestinians (West Bank/Gaza) don't have the vote to sway things in Israel. Nor will the Israelis allow the minority Arabs in their state to attain numerical superiority by boosting immigration of Jews to Israel.

Immigration of Jews from where? Jews are hardly in high supply, besides It's a catch-22, weaken your position in other countries by leaving en masse or be overrun in your hub?

As for the Western nations, the guilt of the Holocaust is enough to blunt anything counter to the Israeli interest.

Not particularly, excuse the speculation, but since 'Nu-Europe' appears to be increasingly conservative, you can rule out the liberal guilt which lead to such lax attitudes towards Israel and the effective carte blanche they posses today.

Again, the Palestinians and Arabs are effectively rendered unable to change the status quo for the next hundred years

Funny, they could have 'changed' the status quo on multiple occasions in the last decade alone if not for general idiocy on the part of their 'leaders'.

unless the Western allies weaken or the Arab states are to attain strong, popular regimes that serve the interests of their states not of the ruling family.

Don't even mention Arab states, saxib. Palestinians need to forget pan-Arabism until their own problems are sorted, dying at the behest of the same people who deliberate voted against Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which specifically deals with a person's right to leave and return to the country of their choice solely so that you couldn't emigrate to their lands isn't clever or noble.

Edit: Just to go back to the Holocaust point, they're overusing the "anti-semite" card to the point where it's getting useless. At this time it seems (even to those with their eyes closed) to be an attempt at scoring political capital from the injustices they've been subjected to, as if everybody colluded with Hitler. It's remarkably transparent and increasingly ineffective.

At the rate they're using the Holocaust, they're shedding it of its gravitas at about the same rate as a falling meteor burns up.

[The Nomad]

The Haredi's do present a demographic challenge in Israel. Right now they represent 11% of Jews in Israel laakin at the right these mofos breed (like Somali's a woman will have 6-8 kids ) by 2020 they will represent 20% of Israel's Jewish population, more probably. They are nutters, no TV, strict sexual segregation etc. I saw a documentary where they harrassed a liberal Israeli woman because she sat in the front of the bus with the men, they're destroying the secular state from within

The Orthodox Haredim do have higher birth-rate, but it's decreasing, not increasing. It fell by 13.5% in 2008 alone. Taking into account the secularists, Muslims overall have a far higher birth-rate ( just not the highest per person).

Besides, a majority of Jews being of the Haredi persuasion is beneficial to Palestinians, they're the equivalent of Mormons. They are anti-Zionist and generally invalids.

The also have very little sway in politics.