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Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:46 pm
by djibsomali
no circumcision in girl lead to less cleanliness and then lips get bigger which is difficult to clean it properly.

baadh dirxii ayaa kuu dhashaa between the lips.

even the BBC have covered 2 years ago how the european are going the other way . which means woman are paying thousands of euro just to get to somali clean vaginal

source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7629897.stm

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:58 pm
by Pirate Nayaa
^^^
Types of cosmetic vaginal surgery
Labioplasty - to make the labia smaller
Vaginal rejuvenation - to make the vagina tighter
Hymenoplasty - to restore the hymen and make the woman appear a virgin :lol: :lol:

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:02 pm
by Voltage
FGM has nothing to do with Islam.

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:03 pm
by Phd in naago kudis
FMG 4 da masses :up:

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:03 pm
by djibsomali
the labia is the one who is the most culprit when it comes to unclealiness.
when girl go over 30 it get saggy which not only is ugly but hide as well as germs and some white stuff (dirxii) which then lead to a foul smell.

it is about time somali need to know

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:05 pm
by grandpakhalif
Voltage wrote:FGM has nothing to do with Islam.
That is a debatable statement, please provide proofs and evidences to back it up.

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:09 pm
by Phd in naago kudis
djibsomali wrote:no circumcision in girl lead to less cleanliness and then lips get bigger which is difficult to clean it properly.

baadh dirxii ayaa kuu dhashaa between the lips.

even the BBC have covered 2 years ago how the european are going the other way . which means woman are paying thousands of euro just to get to somali clean vaginal

source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7629897.stm
u sick man.....dat surgery has nothing 2 do with....hygine

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:10 pm
by Pirate Nayaa
djibsomali wrote:the labia is the one who is the most culprit when it comes to unclealiness.
when girl go over 30 it get saggy which not only is ugly but hide as well as germs and some white stuff (dirxii) which then lead to a foul smell.

it is about time somali need to know
are you talking from experience here?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:12 pm
by djibsomali
well done pirate nayaa

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:13 pm
by grandpakhalif
Pirate Nayaa wrote:
djibsomali wrote:the labia is the one who is the most culprit when it comes to unclealiness.
when girl go over 30 it get saggy which not only is ugly but hide as well as germs and some white stuff (dirxii) which then lead to a foul smell.

it is about time somali need to know
are you talking from experience here?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pirate how would a man know dat :clap:

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:54 pm
by Narcissistic
Is there any saheeh hadeeth about the circumcision of females?
Is there any evidence, such as a sahih hadeeth, that states that the prophet of Allah (Blessings and peace be upon him) had or allowed his wives and/or daughters to be circumcised in any shape or form?.


Praise be to Allaah.

We do not know of any hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that his wives or daughters be circumcised, but it is narrated that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) advised a woman who did circumcision in Madeenah as to the proper way of circumcision. It was narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), al-Tabaraani in al-Awsat, and al-Bayhaqi in al-Shu’ab from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcision in Madeenah, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

According to another report: “Take only a little and do not go to extremes.”

It is also indicated by the general meaning of the evidence that has been narrated concerning circumcision, such as the hadeeth in al-Bukhaari (5891) and Muslim (527) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him): I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”

In Saheeh Muslim (349) it is narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”

According to a report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (109) and elsewhere: “When the two circumcised parts meet…”

Al-Bukhaari used this phrase as a chapter heading.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: What is meant by this metaphor is the circumcised parts of the man and the woman.

Female circumcision is done by cutting a small part of the skin that looks like a rooster’s comb, above the exit of the urethra. The Sunnah is not to cut all of it, but rather a part of it. Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (19/28).

The Shaafa’is, the Hanbalis according to the well-known view of their madhhab, and others are of the view that circumcising women is obligatory. Many scholars are of the view that it is not obligatory in the case of women; rather it is Sunnah and is an honour for them.

But we would like to point out here that it has medical benefits to which attention should be paid, regardless of the difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is obligatory or mustahabb. This has been discussed in the answer to question no. 45528.

And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:58 pm
by Narcissistic
Fatwa no. 45528 Medical benefits of female circumcision
Could you explain me what is the medical benefit of girl’s circumcision?.



Circumcision is prescribed for both males and females. The correct view is that circumcision is obligatory for males and that it is one of the symbols of Islam, and that circumcision of women is mustahabb but not obligatory.

There are reports in the Sunnah which indicate that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam. In Madeenah there was a woman who circumcised women and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.

Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:

The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.

Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.

Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.

Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.

Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.

Then Dr al-Ghawaabi refutes those who claim that female circumcision leads to frigidity by noting:

Frigidity has many causes, and this claim is not based on any sound statistics comparing circumcised women with uncircumcised women, except in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.

From Liwa’ al-Islam magazine, issue 8 and 10; article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat (circumcision of girls).

The female gynaecologist Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid says in an article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat Ru’yah Sihhiyyah (Female circumcision from a health point of view):

For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam, which means acting in accordance with the fitrah and following the Sunnah which encourages it. We all know the dimensions of Islam, and that everything in it must be good in all aspects, including health aspects. If the benefits are not apparent now, they will become known in the future, as has happened with regard to male circumcision – the world now knows its benefits and it has become widespread among all nations despite the opposition of some groups.

Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:

It takes away excessive libido from women

It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.

It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections

It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.

In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:

With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted.

And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A

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Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:04 pm
by GacanSareeye
nacalaa shaydaan ku yaala, wiligiis muu arag naag kaadinweysay because of fgm, ama raaxeysan weysay because of it like warsan dirie, who couldnt pee like the other girls in class, one that couldnt hide her pain even over the phone, and finally one that cant have babies b/c of it. if for nothing, it should be banned on the basis of preserving life.

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:13 pm
by nomadicwarlord
Where is Abdiwahab and Patriot, they can attest to this.

"Kuma ni starehe ya dunia". Say no to FGM.

Re: FGM is islamically permissible

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:12 am
by michael_ital
And you jokers wonder why I come here to pimp slap foo's. What an acid head. :lol: