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Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:11 am
by Voltage
bareento wrote:In the meantime enjoy this old Borana Ode to Nature...who knows maybe your ancestors used to commune this way with Nature
Wallahi you give justice to the insult some people label give to African Muslims and Christians when they say Africans continue to mix their paganism with divinity.
If you are a Muslim why are you taking pride in ignorance and paganism? Have you seen an Arab stand in the street and take pride in the ignorance of the past by evoking the idols of Laat and Uzza? Or the Malaysians and Indonesians do it?
Fix up.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:57 am
by bareento
Wallahi this is amazing,
Some people should admit they r not expert in everything.
A muslim Borena man is chanting the beauty of his land (in a language they do not understand ), and they cry shirk!!!
One uses WAAQ for the name of GOD ? they cry shirk!!!
Wallaahi these wassup sheikhs r funny
I come here in peace, its not my intention to criticize your version of Islam, or to get in religious discussion online;
But I find disturbing the ease and speed in which u discover shirk!!!
B.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:57 am
by bareento
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Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:03 am
by Voltage
enjoy this old Borana Ode to Nature...who knows maybe your ancestors used to commune this way with Nature
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:08 am
by Voltage
bareento wrote:One uses WAAQ for the name of GOD ? they cry shirk!!!
No we do not. I have said here before many times when some people ignorant of the word misused it to mean a specific diety:
Btw, I am sure every Somali in here knows one Oromo. Ask him/her what "Waaq" means in their language. It is just GOD. The pagan Oromos use waaq to denote their spiritual idols and the Muslim Oromos use waaq say God like we say Ilaahay (though we both say Allah to use the more rightful name), and the Christian oromo say "waaq" to say Jesus their god.
It just means GOD.
Waaq is basically God in the English language. However the problem is when you specify a specific diety other than Allah and so when you refer to Waaq in pre-Islamic times, we can only assume you mean a pagan deity.
I have no problems with you referring to Allah as Waaq, just as I have no problems with an American convert referring to Allah as God but I do have a problem with you referring a pagan communion with nature as Waaq (God) just as I have a problem with a Wicca American referring to his satan idol as "God".
It is not the word, it is how you use it.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:37 am
by bareento
U see paganism everywhere....where I only see an old poem over the beauty of Liban (a Borena land in the South) glorifying God's creation put to song;
Some people have almost mystical bondage to their land; ask a somali from around jigjiga and u see wat I mean;
they can talk about that land for hours (its true that land is beautiful), they have so many songs and poems on that land ... its neither shirk nor paganism!!!
Its first time I "see" a somali man this much OBSESSED by paganism
B.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:05 am
by Voltage
That's because you have a very short memory.
Voltage wrote:bareento wrote:As for Waaq, I am a muslim
with biggest respect for my ancestors religion 
B.
This is Jahiliyah and has no place in Islam. There is no "respect" for idol worship and paganism. Have you ever seen a Muslim Arab in the interest of cultural pride go around saying "I am a Muslim but respect the worship of Laat and Uzza stone worship of my ancestors" or an Indonesian going around saying "I am a Muslim but respect the worship of Buddha of my ancestors". I hate to come out forcefully against you but you are bordering on Shirk and that is
the biggest sin in Islam, unforgivable might I add.
Bareento: endorsing paganism and committing shirk as a result.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:07 am
by Voltage
bareento wrote: the beauty of Liban (a Borena land in the South)
"Liibaan" is a majority Somali region composed of Degoodiye, Mareexaan (reer Xassan), Murule, and others. Borana do live there but are a very small minority.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:21 am
by bareento
Voltage wrote:That's because you have a very short memory.
Voltage wrote:bareento wrote:As for Waaq, I am a muslim
with biggest respect for my ancestors religion
B.
This is Jahiliyah and has no place in Islam. There is no "respect" for idol worship and paganism. Have you ever seen a Muslim Arab in the interest of cultural pride go around saying "I am a Muslim but respect the worship of Laat and Uzza stone worship of my ancestors" or an Indonesian going around saying "I am a Muslim but respect the worship of Buddha of my ancestors". I hate to come out forcefully against you but you are bordering on Shirk and that is
the biggest sin in Islam, unforgivable might I add.
Bareento: endorsing paganism and committing shirk as a result.
I still have THE BIGGEST RESPECT FOR MY
ANCESTORS RELIGION, if I had time and money I will do some research on it
I am a practicing muslim and I am not a follower of Waaq religion;
I am very curious of how the people in the horn used to live centurys ago
If I may and u r not obliged to answer, are u from a recent convert family?
Only recent converts feel obliged to discover shirk everywhere;
B.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:52 am
by Voltage
And where have you seen a recent convert Somali to the Islamic religion? Your desperation for being called out as the typical African who combines divinity with paganism is showing through. Honestly this phenanemon of combing Islam with some paganism is very prominent in both Oromo and Afar Muslims. Apparently the message didn't reach them very well.
Look to the Somalis as a representative of the East African branch of the Muslim umma who have taken the complete religion.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:53 am
by Voltage
bareento wrote:I still have THE BIGGEST RESPECT FOR MY ANCESTORS RELIGION,
End of story. You have zero iman and the fact you think there is nothing wrong with that statement says so.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:12 am
by bareento
I think u do not understand wat IMAN means.
I do not feel obliged name calling other religions to fortify my IMAN.
I read about Christianity, Waaqism and other religions, that only makes me admire more and more my religion ISLAM.
I do not have to insult others religion to show how attached to islam i am.
Make a difference between believing in and respecting.
I do not disrespect everything in which I do not believe...maybe thats Oromo courtesy unknown to you.
B.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:27 am
by Ganjaweed
Bareento, you remind me of those annoying iranians, who are embarrassed by islam and say they are muslim and believe in Allah, but have "respect" for their fire worshipping days. Have you ever seen an arab saying he is muslim but he has respect for Al'illat and Al'Uzza? What the hell are you talking about? There is only one god, He is Allah. Take it or leave it
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Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:38 am
by Voltage
Lol @ respecting paganism. Zero iman.
Re: Meaning of WAAQ
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:51 am
by qoraxeey
Voltage is back on track
i agree what all that u wrote .
down with all old pre-islamic worshipping things&names.
i have no idea what waaq is
lakin I know that Eebe is the somali name for Allah/God