The biggest flip-flopper in the modern era

[zingii]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

What beliefs Mr Ilkoyar?
I mean what correlation is their between supporting Bare hiraale and objecting Sharif Dameer?

One is a politician and one is simply macalin dugsi.

[The_Patriot]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

For those who are confused about who he is talking about i'll make a bit E-Z 4 u.

he is talking about The_Patriot

No he is talking about himself.

[new-york24]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

One of the major reasons why i dont partake in qabiil debates anymore,i might take shots here and there but am trying hard not to.Seems though some folks here love to bush those buttons.

[Twisted_Logic]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

So you agree that Sharif is murtad?

[sadeboi]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

One of the major reasons why i dont partake in qabiil debates anymore,i might take shots here and there but am trying hard not to.Seems though some folks here love to bush those buttons.

Look at patriot, he asked you why you care since you're Absame what Sharif, an Abgaal, does--- even thou both of you are individuals. When I presented a point that has nothing to do with politics but rather my own general observation on this forum, my clan, and supposed political outlook [ based on what clan I hail from] was brought up by Patriot and my view was discarded.

TL, did I discuss the views presented on that video or did I mention an observation I have of members on this forum and their simple ways?

[Twisted_Logic]

Sadeboi,

That was a direct question.

[sadeboi]

The question was phrased in manner that implied my statement (that you quoted) was supportive of Sharifs "murtad-ness" as presented on the video.

[Voltage]

The question was phrased in manner that implied my statement (that you quoted) was supportive of Sharifs "murtad-ness" as presented on the video.

[new-york24]

NY have you noticed how every time certain individuals present their belief, their ideology--as individuals, and based on their religious beliefs-- some people try to change the topic by involving tribal affiliations and things of that nature that really have no place in the discussion.

One of the major reasons why i dont partake in qabiil debates anymore,i might take shots here and there but am trying hard not to.Seems though some folks here love to bush those buttons.

Look at patriot, he asked you why you care since you're Absame what Sharif, an Abgaal, does--- even thou both of you are individuals. When I presented a point that has nothing to do with politics but rather my own general observation on this forum, my clan, and supposed political outlook [ based on what clan I hail from] was brought up by Patriot and my view was discarded.

TL, did I discuss the views presented on that video or did I mention an observation I have of members on this forum and their simple ways?

Guess you live and you learn.

[The_Patriot]

Sadeboi what an observation

I mean come on we are talking about Somalia on ethnci group and religion that has been fighting for the past 20 yrs over nothing more than clans.

So you mean religion just arrived yesterday?

Tell me how you can differentiate between one religious belief and tribal affiliation?

Sadeboi, tell me what correlation exists betweeen supporting Huraale against Shabaab and supporting Shabaab against Sharif Dameer?
please draw for me the religous line as well as tribal affiliation line.

For me I dont support Shabaab nor Sharif Dameer nor will I call fighting in Xamar Jihad.

[Twisted_Logic]

The question was phrased in manner that implied my statement (that you quoted) was supportive of Sharifs "murtad-ness" as presented on the video.

You still haven't answered my question. Do you think Sharif is a murtad?

[sadeboi]

Patriot, gather your thoughts bro.

Cumar-Labasuul, Gatspy, Myself, New-York, 1nemansquad, Mr.Yungfresh, and many more people have different tribal background, geographical background, and a different upbringing yet you can say we all have similar ideological beliefs on my occasions. You nor I had a say in our genetic makeup, yet we have a say in our ideologies/beliefs/values, so yes people could and should differentiate between religious beliefs and tribal affiliations.

Twisted, you presented a question which was phrased wrongly. I believe sharif is a hypocrite, and sharif himself stated that he is a murtad based on his previous beliefs with justifications from the religion and his later actions. So, my view is not even needed, I believe Sharif is correct on his assessment of his own self.

[Twisted_Logic]

Patriot, gather your thoughts bro.

Cumar-Labasuul, Gatspy, Myself, New-York, 1nemansquad, Mr.Yungfresh, and many more people have different tribal background, geographical background, and a different upbringing yet you can say we all have similar ideological beliefs on my occasions. You nor I had a say in our genetic makeup, yet we have a say in our ideologies/beliefs/values, so yes people could and should differentiate between religious beliefs and tribal affiliations.

Twisted, your question was phrased wrongly. I believe sharif is a hypocrite, and sharif himself stated that he is a murtad based on his previous beliefs with justifications from the religion and his later actions. So, my view is not even needed, I believe Sharif is correct on his assessment of his own self.

Do you have a proof for this?

[sadeboi]

Sharif had a view of Muslims who support foreign armies in Muslim lands, today that view applies to him.

[The_Patriot]

Sadeboi its very ironic for the pot to call the kettle black, I mean why do you find the urge to try to squeeze in my queiress with Newyork?
I mean he at least can convince me coz he aint a flipflopper like you.

Sadeboi you are the one who needs to gather his thoughts I tribalist like you who beleives that Kismaayo belongs to no one but Ilkoyar after merely 9 yrs of Huraales oppression on the massess yet you find the gut of taking about nationhood and trying to critisiz Sharif for not aspiring to somalinimo.

If Sharif is a murtad so is Huraale.
If Sharif is a dabodhilif so is huraale

and your arguement is destroyed there as you vision has never been beyond Huraale.