Somali reer baadiyenism is thier own fall (Ali Samantar case

[Voltage]

and the world view the calamitous events in Somalia in the 1980s as a crime against humanity.

The irony is the world views your most pronounced hero in Somalia, one by the name of Gen Aideed, as one of the most heinous criminals and human rights violators in recent human history whose actions led him to receive a bounty put there by both the United Nations and the United States. What were you speaking about hypocrisy and selective justice rebel sympathizer?

[Xamari_76]

The Monster Next Door?

The hell...i tried going on the abc site and its extramly slow..is it on youtube or somthing.

[Voltage]

Xamari it is pretty fast, have you a slow connection?

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

Click on Monster next door.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted while I understand there is legitimate criticism against the former government all you have managed to do is regurgitate rebel talking points and it is not surprising considering you are an avid admirer of one of the most prominent rebel campaigns against that government, one in which thousands of country children were intoxicated and made to march in the capital raping, pillaging, and killing at will any people who belonged to certain clans.

The government of Somalia waged a war against foreign-supplied rebels intent on disturbing the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the nation. No man who admires intoxicated country children raping women selling fruit at the market because they happened to belong to certain clans is going to transgress on that legitimacy. No sir. Never.

How easy it is to expose the bigoted and repulsive base your opinions are grounded. See, I didn't even had to try too hard.

If it makes you sleep better, I think all the brutes in our society ought to be prosecuted. But as long as people like you exist in our country that protect their own villains while condemning others, there is no hope for Somalia.

[Voltage]

Twisted while I understand there is legitimate criticism against the former government all you have managed to do is regurgitate rebel talking points and it is not surprising considering you are an avid admirer of one of the most prominent rebel campaigns against that government, one in which thousands of country children were intoxicated and made to march in the capital raping, pillaging, and killing at will any people who belonged to certain clans.

The government of Somalia waged a war against foreign-supplied rebels intent on disturbing the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the nation. No man who admires intoxicated country children raping women selling fruit at the market because they happened to belong to certain clans is going to transgress on that legitimacy. No sir. Never.

How easy it is to expose the bigoted and repulsive base your opinions are grounded. See, I didn't even had to try too hard.

If it makes you sleep better, I think all the brutes in our society ought to be prosecuted. But as long as people like you exist in our country that protect their own villains while condemning others, there is no hope for Somalia.

One must throw their gauntlet down when one is exposed for their hypocrisy. In any case, I agree wholeheartedly with the highlighted part.

[Twisted_Logic]

and the world view the calamitous events in Somalia in the 1980s as a crime against humanity.

The irony is the world views your most pronounced hero in Somalia, one by the name of Gen Aideed, as one of the most heinous criminals and human rights violators in recent human history whose actions led him to receive a bounty put there by both the United Nations and the United States. What were you speaking about hypocrisy and selective justice rebel sympathizer?

Aideed's was a reaction against the brutalities of the MSB regime. The curse of Somalia is that every bigot from warlords, to religious thugs, everyone wants to impersonate Siyad Barre and his cruel ways. Siyad Barre has engineered a whole new psychology and it will take a long time to erase and defeat this creation of his. It is worthy of contemplation that all the brutes of the Somali people from Aideed to Abdullahi Yusuf to Hassan Dahir Aweys, that they are all products of the MSB regime and have served it in one capacity or another. Somalia will not find peace so long as these creations exist.

Your ability to apologize for Al Shabab comes from your history of defending and apologizing for petty thugs like MSB and Hiraale. Of course, you need to be rehabilitated.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted while I understand there is legitimate criticism against the former government all you have managed to do is regurgitate rebel talking points and it is not surprising considering you are an avid admirer of one of the most prominent rebel campaigns against that government, one in which thousands of country children were intoxicated and made to march in the capital raping, pillaging, and killing at will any people who belonged to certain clans.

The government of Somalia waged a war against foreign-supplied rebels intent on disturbing the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the nation. No man who admires intoxicated country children raping women selling fruit at the market because they happened to belong to certain clans is going to transgress on that legitimacy. No sir. Never.

How easy it is to expose the bigoted and repulsive base your opinions are grounded. See, I didn't even had to try too hard.

If it makes you sleep better, I think all the brutes in our society ought to be prosecuted. But as long as people like you exist in our country that protect their own villains while condemning others, there is no hope for Somalia.

One must throw their gauntlet down when one is exposed for their hypocrisy. In any case, I agree wholeheartedly with the highlighted part.

Now let's get Maslax Siyad Barre

[Voltage]

and the world view the calamitous events in Somalia in the 1980s as a crime against humanity.

The irony is the world views your most pronounced hero in Somalia, one by the name of Gen Aideed, as one of the most heinous criminals and human rights violators in recent human history whose actions led him to receive a bounty put there by both the United Nations and the United States. What were you speaking about hypocrisy and selective justice rebel sympathizer?

Aideed's was a reaction against the brutalities of the MSB regime. The curse of Somalia is that every bigot from warlords, to religious thugs, everyone wants to impersonate Siyad Barre and his cruel ways. Siyad Barre has engineered a whole new psychology and it will take a long time to erase and defeat this creation of his. It is worthy of contemplation that all the brutes of the Somali people from Aideed to Abdullahi Yusuf to Hassan Dahir Aweys, that they are all products of the MSB regime and have served it in one capacity or another. Somalia will not find peace so long as these creations exist.

Why is Tuur, chairman of the SNM the rebel group that waged the longest war against the former government and a former minister in the Siad government, not get a bounty on his head and nor did lead thousands of country children intoxicated on all sorts of hallucinogens? Why was not Siad Barre responsible for the actions of Tuur as much as he is responsible for the actions of the only Somali strongman in history who received a bounty on his head placed there by both the U.N and U.S.?

Your lack of objectivity derived from personal hatred and bias has led to such mind numbing hypocrisy you come off as nothing more than a laughingstock.

[Voltage]

Now let's get Maslax Siyad Barre

Get him when he is your next president.

[Amethyst]

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Bush and Cheny SHOULD have been held responsible. Fortunately for them, they came from stronger clans.

Bush and Cheney should be tried overall for the Iraq War but they have nothing to do and no one will hold them individually accountable for those guards did in Abu Ghraib. That's the point.

Yeah, I get what u mean. Except I think they should have been held responsible for what those guards did too. Countries have legit rights to go to war, but they are to abide by rules, and those are the rules they CLEARLY broke when Supposed superiors to the superiors, to the superiors, told some to ruff up the "insurgents" in those prisons. Exactly why the Abu graib people got petty sentencing's when they should have been court marshalled and given some serious time. That, I think, Bush and Co. should be held accountable to EVEN THOUGH they didnt commit using their own "hands".

Anyway, this isnt an ideal world, so I wont bother with what should have been done ideally. Samatar up there alone on that stand, looks pretty empty to me. Ama kuligood oo dhan ha la wada raadsho ama ha la iska daayo odaygu. The part about him being a good precedent sounds like bullshit to me. As if, others would go thru the same ordeal. They'd just pull a Polanski and be homefree in a split sec.

[Twisted_Logic]

Why is Tuur, chairman of the SNM the rebel group that waged the longest war against the former government and a former minister in the Siad government, not get a bounty on his head and nor did lead thousands of country children intoxicated on all sorts of hallucinogens? Why was not Siad Barre responsible for the actions of Tuur as much as he is responsible for the actions of the only Somali strongman in history who received a bounty on his head placed there by both the U.N and U.S.?

Your lack of objectivity derived from personal hatred and bias has led to such mind numbing hypocrisy you come off as nothing more than a laughingstock.

You are very presumptuous which is leading you to make many silly accusations and conclusions.

Tuure had every right to rise up against a very cruel regime. That particular war was fought against in a region dominated by Tuure’s clan and I don’t think you will accuse him of massacring his own people. On the other hand it is documented that the regime planes used to carper bomb Northern Somalia in an attempt to force the people into submission. It was this brutality that forced more than 400 thousand people to be displaced and which accounted for the death of at least 50 thousand others.

There was no other way, except through the power of the gun, that the MSB regime could have been defeated. Others much gentler than both Tuure and Aideed have tried it through peaceful means and they have either been killed off or forced into exile like Nurradin Farah and Dr Ali Jimale. MSB himself has routinely bragged about the fact that he came to power through the gun and that it is only through the gun that one would dislodge him from power. The options were very limited. One would hope and lament that the regime was more reasonable and sentient of the writings of the wall.

I don’t hate MSB. But I condemn him for single-handedly causing the collapse of both the Somali society and country. Maybe, if you weren’t so blind to the facts you would realize that it is only to a handful of family members that MSB is considered a hero and worshipped. The rest of the Somali people and indeed the world at large recognizes him as the father of the Somali demise and sees him not as “Aabe” or “Jaale” and the other titles you give to him but simple as a dictator, as a despot.

It is your continuous worship of this Somali villain, despite all the facts, that makes you a laughingstock

[Twisted_Logic]

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Bush and Cheny SHOULD have been held responsible. Fortunately for them, they came from stronger clans.

Bush and Cheney should be tried overall for the Iraq War but they have nothing to do and no one will hold them individually accountable for those guards did in Abu Ghraib. That's the point.

Yeah, I get what u mean. Except I think they should have been held responsible for what those guards did too. Countries have legit rights to go to war, but they are to abide by rules, and those are the rules they CLEARLY broke when Supposed superiors to the superiors, to the superiors, told some to ruff up the "insurgents" in those prisons. Exactly why the Abu graib people got petty sentencing's when they should have been court marshalled and given some serious time. That, I think, Bush and Co. should be held accountable to EVEN THOUGH they didnt commit using their own "hands".

Anyway, this isnt an ideal world, so I wont bother with what should have been done ideally. Samatar up there alone on that stand, looks pretty empty to me. Ama kuligood oo dhan ha la wada raadsho ama ha la iska daayo odaygu. The part about him being a good precedent sounds like bullshit to me. As if, others would go thru the same ordeal. They'd just pull a Polanski and be homefree in a split sec.

The whole point, really.

[Voltage]

That particular war was fought against in a region dominated by Tuure’s clan and I don’t think you will accuse him of massacring his own people.

So this legitimizes Aideed's heinous criminal response that led to bounties from both the U.N and U.S?

Because unlike Tuur's rebels, not all of the land Aideed waged war was dominated by his clan?

[Amethyst]

Ok. Ilaah baan idinku dhaarshay. What is it u two are on the second page about? Arguing for the sake of arguing? cuz u agree with each other pretty much from what I can tell.

The whole point, really.

Only because u presume that i'm faulting the government, is it?

[Voltage]

Ok. Ilaah baan idinku dhaarshay. What is it u two are on the second page about? Arguing for the sake of arguing? cuz u agree with each other pretty much from what I can tell.

Ame, the man just apologized for the most heinous human rights violator in Somali history. One in which the U.S and U.N placed a bounty on his head as one of the biggest war criminals in modern human history.

Yet he questions the legitimacy of government action?