Isaq

[sadeboi]

Emprior, can you find me sources stating the reason for the creation of SNM? Or give some detailed info?

[abdikarim86]

Abdikarim that to but they also wanted a fair elected government for Somalia for the people by the people. That why they also worked with the usc and spm.

was that initially ...or right up till the early 90s
cuz weren't they fighting for independence by the early 90s?

[The_Emperior5]

Emprior, can you find me sources stating the reason for the creation of SNM? Or give some detailed info?

I well get you some info And sources about the Struggle after 1977 in the hawd region

[The_Emperior5]

Abdikarim that to but they also wanted a fair elected government for Somalia for the people by the people. That why they also worked with the usc and spm.

was that initially ...or right up till the early 90s
cuz weren't they fighting for independence by the early 90s?

Well SNM their plan was to overthrow the government and do what’s good for the people Its not a secret that most of the SNM leaders were for an Independent Somaliland how ever this was never discussed during the struggle. First was dhulka hala xoreyo Dabeedna markasa la tashanaya

[abdikarim86]

Abdikarim that to but they also wanted a fair elected government for Somalia for the people by the people. That why they also worked with the usc and spm.

was that initially ...or right up till the early 90s
cuz weren't they fighting for independence by the early 90s?

Well SNM their plan was to overthrow the government and do what’s good for the people Its not a secret that most of the SNM leaders were for an Independent Somaliland how ever this was never discussed during the struggle. First was dhulka hala xoreyo Dabeedna markasa la tashanaya

i see

markaas if the majority of them held these views ...when did they start discussing them
and when did the idea of independence become their policy SNM ahaan

[Voltage]

I have never gotten a clear answer to it either.

There is as much confusion about why it even started as there is about how it unfolded. But there are two reasons people keep going back to.

Most Isaaqs say the SNM arose because the Isaaq clan were threatened by the resettlement of Ogadeni refugees in the north and they perceived it as the "Darodization" of Waqooyi Galbeed. Whether this was negative tribal hypersensitivity (simply because the refugees were mostly Darod and the president was Darod) or real fears you would have to look at the past.

There were more Ogaden refugees resettled in the border regions of the south then the north. Gedo itself which housed 450,000 refugees held more refugees then all of the north combined. Forget about Hiiraan, Shabelle, etc.

the camps in Gedo held a total of more than 450,000 persons, in Hiiraan more than 375,000, in Woqooyi Galbeed well over 400,000, and in Shabeellaha Hoose nearly 70,000.

http://countrystudies.us/somalia/54.htm

I don't want to judge but it says a lot about the character of a people when the clan composition of a people is more visible then the humanitarian situation they are in. No other person keeps talking about trying to take our lands. No one in Gedo, no Hawiye, no Digil talks about it except Isaaq and certainly no one has used it as a justification to fight.

The other prevalent reason you always hear is because top Isaaq leaders were famously locked up in the arrests of 1982. Some of which included Cumar Carte and Ismacil Ali Abokor. Why do they act as if they were personally targeted when some of the top Marehans were also locked up in that time?

This development shook the "old establishment" because the arrests included Mahammad Aadan Shaykh, a prominent Mareehaan politician, detained for the second time; Umar Haaji Masala, chief of staff of the military, also a Mareehaan; and a former vice president and a former foreign minister.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... +so0038%29

Mohammed Adan Shaykh is the man Galool on here said is the most brilliant Somali man he has ever met and Togane even talked about in his clan fish poem:

this is the Klan
whose best
whose brightest
Mahammad Sheikh Adan
once bragged
for the first decade
I & my Marehan Klan will rule Somalia
by might
by main
for the second decade
I & my Marehan Klan will rule Somalia
by looting the patrimony of the Somali race
to buy up the loyalty of key clannish cowards
for the third decade
I & my Marehan Klan will rule Somalia
by inaugurating
by ushering in
the Somali Renaissance
the Somali Enlightenment
the Somali Millennium

And Omar Haaji is a man who was important enough to become first chairman of SNF and Marehan's top leader following Siad.

The point is these kids need to look beyond the tribal demonization and revisionism told to them in their livings. These stories centering on perceived and singular attack against the Isaaq comes from the same revisionism that told them Isaaq wrote the Somali language, came up with the anthem, made the flag, etc.

Was the Barre government a long time autocracy? Yes. Could people have wanted to rise up and fight to bring it down? Yes. But was the Isaaq clan specifically treated different that led them to be galvanized into rising up? No and this is what they fail to understand.

[Siciid85]

The Jazeera beach killings occurred prior to 1988. The hunt for idoor was on, only became full fledge in that infamous hargeysa bombing campaign!

The SNM were mostly ex SNA's who were dissatisfied with the system and witnessed the inhumane and the second class status their people occupied in Somalia. There were special units code named "extermination of the Isaaq people". The government targeted the Isaaq people. Even when they fled Hargeysa, the planes continued their bombing raids in places where the displaced were.

Waxa uu ahaa halgan ka dhashay gumaysi.

many people living in Muqdisho never even heard that the government was waging war on its citizens up north. Most of them came to realize after '88. That is how secretive this campaign was.

As for being 'kids". What makes your sentiments more holly than ours? The ball is in the court of those who argue to defend Barre regime to prove to us what the war was about. This took place in late 70s,80. So it's not hearsay, it's well documented from people who had first hand account of what happened.

[abdikarim86]

voltage .....allow the horseshit!

[Voltage]

voltage .....allow the horseshit!

What's horseshit?

[abdikarim86]

wixi dhacay, way dhaceen ...its all documented!
the settling of daaroods in hargeisa
the unfair treatment of our businessmen
the use of daarood troops against unarmed nomads in the hawd

at the end of the SNM way badisay ....s/land is its product
no matter how much you change shid to suite your whims
it aint gonna change anything ...history waa history ...move on!

[The_Emperior5]

Voltage logic is very strange why do we care about darod nomads got refuge in gedo a darod region , We are talking about darod refugees placed in Isaaq Territory, that’s the biggest mistake you cant compare the to Siyad bare tolkiis uun bu meesha soo dadjiye wax cusub maha

[abdikarim86]

Voltage logic is very strange why do we care about darod nomads got refuge in gedo a darod region , We are talking about darod refugees placed in Isaaq Territory, that’s the biggest mistake you cant compare the to Siyad bare tolkiis uun bu meesha soo dadjiye wax cusub maha

true ....daaroods in hargeisa was a big no no especially when
large amounts of the best land was handed over to them for free!

and...why would voltage's clan complain about
daarood refugees ...miyaanay ahayn daarood

[The_Emperior5]

Voltage logic is very strange why do we care about darod nomads got refuge in gedo a darod region , We are talking about darod refugees placed in Isaaq Territory, that’s the biggest mistake you cant compare the to Siyad bare tolkiis uun bu meesha soo dadjiye wax cusub maha

true ....daaroods in hargeisa was a big no no especially when
large amounts of the best land was handed over to them for free!

and...why would voltage's clan complain about
daarood refugees ...miyaanay ahayn daarood

haadaa watan la yaabanahay imika wiilka xirsi cismaan eeh Ethiopia guntisa ka yimid . Hadu ceerigabo yimado dee wa dhulkisi niman Muuse ismacil ba iska leh Wilka Ciidagalle eeh ceelka buulaale ka yimi hadu hargeisa yimado dee wa dhulkisi
Hadu wiilka qoroxay eeh ogaden darod oo tago gedo dee wa dhulkisi maxa anaga anaga naga galay darood isku qaxooti doontay anaga xasadarada hanola imanina

[Siciid85]

Ogadens are good people in general. We're only talking about the past when i say this. Ogaden were told Hargeysa orginally belonged to them. So this land that they resettled was after all theirs. They believed it and many of them died defending it.

[yunis09]

they will never be satisfied with ur answers and explantions on the formation of SNM and the war, so like i said from the begining ha isku daalilina dadkan.
in their mind they were right and we were wrong, it is clear as that...