Where was The Land of Punt located, Eritrea or Somalia?

[Gedo_Boy]

Belew,

You know that long ago there was probably no such thing as an Eritrean or Somali, per se. There are a thousand different motivations and everybody will have a different answer so that long ago I think it's fair to say just "East AFrican"

[Belew]

Hi,
I thought Jabartis were Tigrinya speaking Muslims;
r they of a separate ethnicity, which language do they speak?
In Addis there used to be many Eretrean girls named Blaine...maybe they r of Blin ethnicity.

B.

They speak Arabic and Tigrinya. Ethnic identity isn't based on language, it's based on self-perception. Jeberty people go by Jeberty and never Biher-Tigrinya.


Many TIgrayans in Ethiopia pretend to be Eritreans for safety and popularity reasons (sorta like, 'look at me, i'm different'.) Amharas seem to love and adore the attentions of Eritreans, while they despise Tigrayans. So that girl you were talking to was probably Ethiopian.

No Eritreans are named Blaine...Sounds like an Irish name if you ask me.

Which people are the ones you claim are close to Ancient Egypt? The picture you have showed, what ethnicity are they?

Excluding the recent Arab-Eritreans, I would assume most of them were in Eritrea when Punt Kingdom was around. Although they probably went with different ethnic identities. Actually, ethnic identity is a recent European invention, it never existed even a 120 years ago.

As for the pictures, I don't know, Eritreans tend not to speak about ethnicity like that....But if I had to guess, I'd assume they are a combination of Biher-Tigrinya and Tigre people, who make up 85% of Eritrea's population together.

[Belew]

Belew,

You know that long ago there was probably no such thing as an Eritrean or Somali, per se. There are a thousand different motivations and everybody will have a different answer so that long ago I think it's fair to say just "East AFrican"

East African is Kenya and Tanzania. We're horn of African. And I agree with ur statement. But I'm not ruling out the Somalis either, as I'm well aware the somali homeland isn't southern or central somalia as some would think, it's really the northern part of Somalia where all Somalis get their origins from. So it's very likely Somalis were part of Punt too.

[Gedo_Boy]

Belew,

I have Eritream friends and the Jeberti connection is interesting b/c apparently the Darood tribes are Jeberti although that's debated.
There were some studies of DNA of Somalis and their DNA was consistent w/ the Horn of Africa DNA concentration.

[Belew]

Belew,

I have Eritream friends and the Jeberti connection is interesting b/c apparently the Darood tribes are Jeberti although that's debated.
There were some studies of DNA of Somalis and their DNA was consistent w/ the Horn of Africa DNA concentration.

I mean, lets be honest with ourselves here. Even the 'jeberity' people of Eritrea's claim isn't on solid grounds, as there is no way to prove what happened 1300 years ago. If Daroods claim they are Jeberity, their claim is just as good as the Jeberitys of Eritrea. This is why ethnic identity is really a joke if you think about it.

I really encourage you to read this http://www.madote.com/2010/02/biher-tig ... ar-of.html --It will give you an idea at the concept of identity and its history.


Eastern Sudanese, Somalis, Eritreans, Djiboutians, Ethiopians and even northern Kenyans are of ancient stock. We look the way we do not because of mixing, but because of the way we're built. There are more genetic variation among Africans than the World combined. Here's just a sample of the many types of African variation looks.


San People (Bush Men) --



Pgymy Africans ----




Bantu Africans



Dinka Africans



Eritreans/Somalis/horn of Africans





well u get the point, there are dozens of different types of Africans. The funny thing is, the horn of Africans are the ones that are regarded as being mixed with no evidence. We're not even the lighest skinned Africans, no sir, those are the San People and everyone knows they never mixed with anyone.

Horn of Africans are of ancient stock. We look the way we do because we are one of many different types of Africans.

[IRONm@N]

Was there even a country called Eritrea back then?
Eritrea was just made up in 1990s, and it doesn't consist more three cities or so.

Now Somalia, is a big a large country with history and ppl, that were trading with Chinese, Greeks, Egyptians etc because of it's long coastal cities and rich culture.

[Oxidant]

Somalis and Southern Egyptians share a lot of DNA

Whilst Eritreans and Southern Egyptians don't or at least not significantly

Where is the evidence?

[Cinque Mtume]

Ancient Punt was located in presentday Puntland and the ancient Puntites are the ancestors of the Puntlanders. Duh!

[AwdalPrince]

Somalis and Southern Egyptians share a lot of DNA

Whilst Eritreans and Southern Egyptians don't or at least not significantly

Where is the evidence?

Dawwa is actually on point, here is the evidence:

"The M78 mutation (y chromosome) that is present in East Africans occurred in North East Africa, not East Africa, and it occurred in a mixed Eurasian/African population.

This expansion was most likely from the Lower Nubia area, and might explain why Somalis show some similarities to the ancient upper Egyptians (Badarians); as their ancestry comes fromthe same region, and they are less influenced by later migrations from Arabia and west Africa. The hg’s involved ( M78/E3b1 and M1/M1a) are shown below, showing a clear focus and origin in Southern modern Egypt (Lower Nubia), expanding into Somalia ."




"We genotyped 45 biallelic markers and 11 STR systems on the Y chromosome in 201 male Somalis. In addition, 65 sub-Saharan Western Africans, 59 Turks and 64 Iraqis were typed for the biallelic Y chromosome markers. In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified including E3b1 (77.6%) and K2 (10.4%)..."

"Showing skull similarities in Somalians and predynastic upper Egyptians (lower Egyptians are much more like modern North Africans). The PD Upper Egyptians are just outside the range of modern North Africans, and Somalians show a fairly close relationship to them; unsurprisingly, as a fairly large portion of Somali ancestry seems to come from the Upper Egypt/Nubia area."



Source: http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpr ... ome-study/

Mathilda's Anthropology blog - Somali genetics

[James Dahl]

Both.

The "Plateaus of Myrrh" are the Cal Madow mountains and the table land northeast to the very tip of the horn, there are no other possibilities. This highland area is rich in Myrrh, the only place in East Africa that fits the description.

However, at the same time the gold mines of Punt, the area known as "Ba-Punt" (the mines of Punt) known as the "Land of Amu" on the other hand is in the area along the border between Eritrea and Sudan, around Kassala.

Then there is the African Blackwood or "Ebony" (the ancients didn't distinguish "proper" ebony from African Blackwood) which is found in Eritrea but not Somalia.

Punt was not a monolithic entity but rather a patchwork of chiefdoms that stretched from Eritrea to Somalia.

[Ganjaweed]

lol @ somalis are ancient puntites. Until somalia is peaceful, no excavations or studies will twke place.

[paidmonk]

LOL, all these "skull" differences were found to be entirely fictional in the 1800s.

All Homosapiens have the same skulls, there are wider variation between two brothers than between whole races, don't let that fool you.

I can't believe Somalis on this forum quote racial journals debunked 200 years ago. In this day in age, the only determinant of race is your language family, and in essence race doesn't exist anymore, just vast language families.

[Belew]

AwdalPrince, your data is outdated bro.

Both.

The "Plateaus of Myrrh" are the Cal Madow mountains and the table land northeast to the very tip of the horn, there are no other possibilities. This highland area is rich in Myrrh, the only place in East Africa that fits the description.

However, at the same time the gold mines of Punt, the area known as "Ba-Punt" (the mines of Punt) known as the "Land of Amu" on the other hand is in the area along the border between Eritrea and Sudan, around Kassala.

Then there is the African Blackwood or "Ebony" (the ancients didn't distinguish "proper" ebony from African Blackwood) which is found in Eritrea but not Somalia.

Punt was not a monolithic entity but rather a patchwork of chiefdoms that stretched from Eritrea to Somalia.

Spot on.


The land of Amu was probably located around port Sudan and south down to north of Kassala.

Punt was most likely a place of chiefdoms, instead of a centralized kingdom. Perahu is the only Chief of Punt that was ever named by the ancient egyptians.

[qoraxeey]

[Gedo_Boy]

The whole thing about East African admixture with Caucasians is just a European construction b/c according to them East Africans have European features and it's distasteful to say East Africans came out and populated the Earth. Why did Caucasian admixture contribute to facial features and not skin color?

The reason I bring this up b/c this is a very racially motivated discussion and all it really amounts to is conjecture most of the time. I don't think I could have travelled 3,000 years ago and spoke Somali w/ the people who lived there. Languages and people evolve and there has been no really decent theory to describe what happened thousands of years ago.

When you read the Quran you hear about a lot of people who were completely wiped out and modern history doesn't even account for them. That to me is enough to suggest we don't even have a fraction of the real story.