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marcassmith wrote:They need to establish a co-operative creating designated areas of selling for each gang. This way they could minimise the killing and collect them dollar bills.
But these people know no better, I bet if they were from Somaliland they would organise themselves more efficiently. I hear most recently arrived immigrants in Canada and the States are from Somalia, these people are coming from a war-torn society, where the rule of law doesn't exist. Of course, when they reaches the shores of Canada and the states, with no formal qualifications and suffering from post-traumatic stress from the wars in Somalia, they will become drug dealers and criminals.
Come on now stop being so stupid.
No! I am not being stupid. There appears to be a correlation between this.
Ok post proof for such a bold claim. Something beyond your own opinion.
marcassmith wrote:They need to establish a co-operative creating designated areas of selling for each gang. This way they could minimise the killing and collect them dollar bills.
But these people know no better, I bet if they were from Somaliland they would organise themselves more efficiently. I hear most recently arrived immigrants in Canada and the States are from Somalia, these people are coming from a war-torn society, where the rule of law doesn't exist. Of course, when they reaches the shores of Canada and the states, with no formal qualifications and suffering from post-traumatic stress from the wars in Somalia, they will become drug dealers and criminals.
somalilanders are better drug dealers
WHAT a dumbass. The UK Somali population is mostly from Somaliland and Somalis there have the same issues.
*Nobleman* wrote:Ok post proof for such a bold claim. Something beyond your own opinion.
I am not in hold of statistical evidence but it is indeed a reasonable claim. I am surprised you've dismissed it outright without any consideration for my hypotheses.
When people leave a backward, war-torn place lacking basic rule of law and people having become prone to living in a violent society and migrate to a place like Canada. They often carry with them symptoms of post-traumatic stress. Some of them have been attached to Alberta for the opportunity to find jobs and start a new life again (because they are unable to find service jobs in the big cities like Toronto, Ottawa etc. in the east of the country) - since then some have been laid off and have no choice but to resort to dealing drugs. So it stands to reason that these people are very prone to using violence at any given opportunity to further their territories and adopt violent tactics. Of course this being nothing new to them as its all too familiar to these people.
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marcassmith wrote:They need to establish a co-operative creating designated areas of selling for each gang. This way they could minimise the killing and collect them dollar bills.
But these people know no better, I bet if they were from Somaliland they would organise themselves more efficiently. I hear most recently arrived immigrants in Canada and the States are from Somalia, these people are coming from a war-torn society, where the rule of law doesn't exist. Of course, when they reaches the shores of Canada and the states, with no formal qualifications and suffering from post-traumatic stress from the wars in Somalia, they will become drug dealers and criminals.
What a sick mentality, MEN died here and your discussing whether Somalilanders are more efficient drug dealers to take shots at Somalia.
marcassmith wrote:
When people leave a backward, war-torn place lacking basic rule of law and people having become prone to living in a violent society and migrate to a place like Canada. They often carry with them symptoms of post-traumatic stress. Some of them have been attached to Alberta for the opportunity to find jobs and start a new life again (because they are unable to find service jobs in the big cities like Toronto, Ottawa etc. in the east of the country) - since then some have been laid off and have no choice but to resort to dealing drugs and to other people who have lost their jobs too. So it stands to reason that these people are very prone to using violence at any given opportunity.
most them kids canadian born or arrived there at ages below 6
grandpakhalif wrote:[What a sick mentality, MEN died here and your discussing whether Somalilanders are more efficient drug dealers to take shots at Somalia.
I believe its not fair to subsume all Somalis under one category. The authorities need to be informed of the increase and causes of the violence so they could be helped and less people died as a result.
grandpakhalif wrote:[What a sick mentality, MEN died here and your discussing whether Somalilanders are more efficient drug dealers to take shots at Somalia.
I believe its not fair to subsume all Somalis under one category. The authorities need to be informed of the increase and causes of the violence so they could be helped and less people died as a result.
Somali is a Somali whether you like it or not from djibouti to NFD
marcassmith wrote:
When people leave a backward, war-torn place lacking basic rule of law and people having become prone to living in a violent society and migrate to a place like Canada. They often carry with them symptoms of post-traumatic stress. Some of them have been attached to Alberta for the opportunity to find jobs and start a new life again (because they are unable to find service jobs in the big cities like Toronto, Ottawa etc. in the east of the country) - since then some have been laid off and have no choice but to resort to dealing drugs and to other people who have lost their jobs too. So it stands to reason that these people are very prone to using violence at any given opportunity.
most them kids canadian born or arrived there at ages below 6
so throw your rational out the window
Marcas give up, from the time even Jamac is debunking your whole theory, call it quits
Jamac_Yare wrote:most them kids canadian born or arrived there at ages below 6
so throw your rational out the window
I don't need to remind you that post-traumatic stress can in some cases be inter-generational, whiles its true some of the dealers came to Canada at a certain age as you mentioned, their household environment can greatly contribute to their violent tendencies. If the father is unemployed because of the lack of qualifications or inability because of the civil wars in Somalia then its inevitable that family dynamics will be not as stable as would otherwise be the case, inducing the kid to see his friends 'rocking' expensive clothes and having nice things, it will be only a matter of time before the allure of this life becomes irresistible and he becomes a dealer resorting to violence.
marcassmith wrote:
I don't need to remind you that post-traumatic stress can in some cases be inter-generational, whiles its true some of the dealers came to Canada at a certain age as you mentioned, their household environment can greatly contribute to their violent tendencies. If the father is unemployed because of the lack of qualifications or inability because of the civil wars in Somalia then its inevitable that family dynamics will be not as stable as would otherwise be the case, inducing the kid to see his friends 'rocking' expensive clothes and having nice things, it will be only a matter of time before the allure of this life becomes irresistible and he becomes a dealer resorting to violence.
even if that is true your argument is weak and can be applied to any kid that has parents financially in bad state of any race so why limit your argument to southerners
FHA1223 wrote:WHAT a dumbass. The UK Somali population is mostly from Somaliland and Somalis there have the same issues.
There has been a demographic transition, Somalilanders are no longer the majority in the UK. They have been displaced by Somalis. In recent years, the vast majority of new immigrants in the UK has been war-torn Somalia via Holland and Europe (so called euro-trash people). These people have no connection with the UK, why are they here. They should be in Italy.
FHA1223 wrote:WHAT a dumbass. The UK Somali population is mostly from Somaliland and Somalis there have the same issues.
There has been a demographic transition, Somalilanders are no longer the majority in the UK. They have been displaced by Somalis. In recent years, the vast majority of new immigrants in the UK has been war-torn Somalia via Holland and Europe (so called euro-trash people). These people have no connection with the UK, why are they here. They should be in Italy.
The life expectancy of someone in the gangs is not long. Unfortuanely, several things contributed to the downtrend that the lifes of these young Somali men had taken. Miraculously, the ladies are not affected. It is only the males.
1) They were raised in the ghetos and the only things that are available in the ghetos are drugs, high school drop-outs, lack of father figure in the homes, and depency of welfare hand-outs. This seems to be an apedemic in all Somali communities in Canada, USA, and Western Europe.
2) Most of these young men were from Ontario and had moved to Alberta after they were misled by gang leaders that they can easily make money and they will not be known in the 1st months since they are not from Alberta. Once the other gangs learned about them, they become history. One by one they started to disappear.
Unfortunately, many more will follow suit until the community addresses the local factors which are producing endless boys for drug leaders. It looks like we are becoming factories which produce more boys for the drug trade in the west. Believe or not, if you visit the correctional facilities of the cities which have large Somali population, you will be surprised how many young men in these prisons. I remember in Ohio in 2007, the local courts had the cases of over 400 Somali children, the majority of these cases were young men with some of form of violent and drug related charges. Many of them were convicted of those crimes. Only Allah knows how many will come out with good behavior. If the child comes out of the prison, every where he goes, he is bringing the criminal record with him and it is hard from him to find a job. If he goes to Somalia or other parts of East Africa, people will claim he went to ..... I don't have to mention where they will assume he wengt to and the name of the child will be in the news. They really find themselves in a situation which beyond their control. The mothers are not at fault 'cause they have to get support from the system due to the lack of father figure in the home and the number of children the family get in the marriage, and it is not the fault of the child to grow up in a ghetto. So, the Somali folks here in SNET, this is your community that found itself in these conditions and sooner you realize and help the better. I would not really take advantage of their plight and call them names. I pray for their well-being and hope the best for them.
FHA1223 wrote:WHAT a dumbass. The UK Somali population is mostly from Somaliland and Somalis there have the same issues.
There has been a demographic transition, Somalilanders are no longer the majority in the UK. They have been displaced by Somalis. In recent years, the vast majority of new immigrants in the UK has been war-torn Somalia via Holland and Europe (so called euro-trash people). These people have no connection with the UK, why are they here. They should be in Italy.
