Boqortoyati Wiil-Waal

[Faarax-Caytame]

Wiil-Waal waa 1720-1800. waxay isku qarni ahaayeen Ugaas Nuur Cubudhiye (rer subeyr), Cumar Xaaseey (Makahil ) , Jilbo-Waran( AbudWaq).
Ragii rag ahaa ee kolba qolo ka qaylisiin jiray intey xoolohooda soo meersadaan.
Faarax ay raage is heysteen , wiilwaal baa awoow u ah

[hanqadh]

^Faarax waad mahadsantahay Ugaas, Faarax Wiil-waal'kan ma aha Wiil-Waalka meesha la hadal hayo ee Raage Ugaas qisadu dhex martay.
Waa runtaa markaan dib u baadhay.

[Rooble90]

According to some historians WiilWaal's boqortoyo was the only real Somali boqortoyo that existed. The legendary King was well known for his bravery, poetic and fighting skills in the battle field, he drove The Last Of The Galla Kings From Jigjigga and his kingdom extended from Jigjigo to Saylac.

Walal No Disrespect, But No Bartire Has Ever Ruled Zaylac, Not Even Gobolka Awdal Itself,,

You Could Say Jigjiga But Not Zaylac

[James Dahl]

cool

James i wanted to ask why did you put suldaan cismaan suldaan Ali madar as the reigning habar yoonis sultan in abtirsi? don't you know the official H.Y sultan is actually Suldaan Maxamed suldaan Xirsi qani as opposed to Suldaan Cusmaan Suldan Ali madar?

I didn't know that, so what is Suldaan Cusmaan Suldan Ali the reigning monarch of?

[Siciid85]

James Dahl, both Suldaan Cusmaan Suldan Ali Madar and Suldaan Maxamed suldaan Xirsi qani are from the Diriiye Sugalle sub clan , Suldaan Cusmaan is the reigning suldaan of Reer Ainanshe, while Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Xirsi Qani is the reigning suldaan of H.Y.

[The_Emperior5]

Siciid who said ina xirsi qani is the habaryoonis Sultan its Suldaan Cusmaan Suldaan madar he is a direct decendants of Xirsi Amaan Diiriye Sugule lineage ,his great grandmother was also From the royal family of reer guleed the sister of Nuur dhago cun So sultan Cisman Sultan Madar is Royalty Both sides , While ina xirsi qani is Decented of ismacil Amaan diiriye Sugulle. So the rightfull Sultan is Sultan Cismaan Sultan Madar

[Siciid85]

The_Emperior5, yaab badana ma aniga oo H.Y ah baad iga badisa suldanadayda? take notes sxb.


both sections are descendants of Amaan Diiriye Sugule Caynaashe, The Xirsi Qani's are the decendants of Ismaaciil Amaan Diiriye Sugule ( from Xaabeeya Dhalin Ileeye the ciidagale funny legened) and The Madar's are the decendants of Xirsi Amaan Diiriye Sugule ( from Aamina Ducaale sultaan the sister of Nuur Dhagacun), so both sultaan Cismaan and Sultaan Maxamed are the decendants of Amaan Diiriye Sugule.


only Sultaan Maxamed Xirsi Qani's is the real Sultaan, waayo Sultaan Maxamed Xirsi Qani waxa ka horay nin la'orajeray Sultaan Ciise Xirsi Qani before that the libaax ee dagaalki 'maadyalolka' hoggminayay Sultaan Yusuf Xirsi Qani. The Sultaan was always in the Bah-Makahiil section of the Reer Sugulle sibaa Reer Amaan. Sultaan Maxamed Xirsi Qani waxa weyn Reer Ismaacil Amaan.

laakin, about 90-100 years ago there was another section who used to have it named Reer Axmed Amaan, their Sultaan however became careless, so the Habar Yoonis bari namely Habar yoonis Burao Reer caynaashe and Xiirsi Cisman made a coup d'etat and replaced the Axmed Amaan who had held it for 100 years or so to Sultaan Madar and another section of Reer Deeriye Sugulle namely Baha-Deeriye (18 section), which are also descendants of Sultaan Deeriye Suguule 1st.

Sultaan Madar's AUN death meant that now the Ismaacil Amaan took the thrown from both Axmed Amaan and Bah-Deeriye, and thus both Sultaan Cisman and his father Sultaan Cali were both compenstated.

Sultaan Cisman Sultaan Cali is neither a descent of Reer Xirsi Amaan or Reer Amaan he is from another lineage of Reer Deeriye Sugulle.

[The_Emperior5]

dee waad ii markhaati furtay uun that that they are Both ilmaadeer and that ina xirsi qani wuxu ku aabtiirsada ismacil aamaan while Ilma madar ay gasho abtirsintiso Xirsi Amaan Diriye Sugulle ,Reer axmed amaan thats Sultaan nuurs Family , The whole error happened when Sultan nuur joined the dervishes and sultan cawad was killed in battle then habaryoonis ayaa caleeemo saartay suldaan kalle. Thats the whole fuss that H.y have 2 sultans oo is barbar tagaan

[Siciid85]

Emperior, you missed the point the Bah-Deeriye and Reer Axmed Amaan don't hold the rightful suldaniimo anymore but Reer Ismacil aamaan, and in the near future reer Siciid Amaan diriiye will take over.

[The_Emperior5]

Emperior, you missed the point the Bah-Deeriye and Reer Axmed Amaan don't hold the rightful suldaniimo anymore but Reer Ismacil aamaan, and in the near future reer Siciid Amaan diriiye will take over.

They just lost the sultanate because sultaan nuur amaan joined the dervishes and sultan cawad was killed in A clan war , and even after these guys sultaan dolaal was killed In battle
Sultan madar sultaan xirsi amaan ba la Boqray still with in the family The thing is ina xirsi qani and suldan cismaan sultan madar share the same Abtirsino But walaga dhex toosay

[Siciid85]

Emperior, but most H.Y regard Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Xirsi Qani as the rightful suldaan and some regard Suldaan Cusmaaan Suldaan Ali madar as the right 1 laakinse legally speaking both have the right to call themselfs suldaan although Suldan Cusmaan Suldan Ali madar is regarded as the reer ainanshe suldaan rather then H.Y , besides the H.Y - Bari have their own sultnate aswell since Sultaan Ducaale Muuse(1890-1955) , Sultaan Cali Suldaan Ducaale (1920-1977), Sultaan Rashid Sultan Cali the present sultan (b.1955) the reason the H.Y - Bari made their own sultnate was because they didn't want to come under the influence and the control of the Xirsi Cismaan in central regions and Burco i know it seems complex Taarikh.

[Teeri]

[quote="Siciid85"]Emperior, but most H.Y regard Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Xirsi Qani as the rightful suldaan and some regard Suldaan Cusmaaan Suldaan Ali madar as the right 1 laakinse legally speaking both have the right to call themselfs suldaan although Suldan Cusmaan Suldan Ali madar is regarded as the reer ainanshe suldaan rather then H.Y , besides the H.Y - Bari have their own sultnate aswell since Sultaan Ducaale Muuse(1890-1955) , Sultaan Cali Suldaan Ducaale (1920-1977), Sultaan Rashid Sultan Cali the present sultan (b.1955) the reason the H.Y - Bari made their own sultnate was because they didn't want to come under the influence and the control of the Xirsi Cismaan in central regions and Burco i know it seems complex Taarikh. [/quot

woooooooooooooooooooow, brothers, please take your idoor business out of this forum, its an Ogaden/absame forum not sultan this or that of idoors, idoors is idoor to us, we dont realy deferentiate them like you would with majertain/dulbahante/wersengali/abskul etc or with sheikhal/abgal etc, your too clouded as one and too langabs on habar this or habar that ( why always habar horta, where is the father lineage ) you dont see us absames coming down to your sections and discussing thier sultans etc in your areas non stop speacilly when the topic is a great sultan of absame/somalis and stop trying to correct/inform us of our own history, stop trying to impress us or educate us with your lineage, kindly if u would , f***k off out here, i have had enough of idoors talk about their peeps in my uni, we dont want them here if you dont stay out, we might consider putting you on a refuge detention again just like Ugas Nuur did! I have been too nice too you M***e** f***** chat sh*t time and again and have had enough of your insult, from now on its

[Siciid85]

Teeri, STFU and sit down nobody was talking to you but rather James Dahl & Emperior, people are here to discuss taarikh not to chat cantarbaqash plus you still haven't answered when i asked you for sources about your claim of Wiilwaal ruling other tribes in ogadenia.

[The_Emperior5]

Emperior, but most H.Y regard Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Xirsi Qani as the rightful suldaan and some regard Suldaan Cusmaaan Suldaan Ali madar as the right 1 laakinse legally speaking both have the right to call themselfs suldaan although Suldan Cusmaan Suldan Ali madar is regarded as the reer ainanshe suldaan rather then H.Y , besides the H.Y - Bari have their own sultnate aswell since Sultaan Ducaale Muuse(1890-1955) , Sultaan Cali Suldaan Ducaale (1920-1977), Sultaan Rashid Sultan Cali the present sultan (b.1955) the reason the H.Y - Bari made their own sultnate was because they didn't want to come under the influence and the control of the Xirsi Cismaan in central regions and Burco i know it seems complex Taarikh. [/quot

woooooooooooooooooooow, brothers, please take your idoor business out of this forum, its an Ogaden/absame forum not sultan this or that of idoors, idoors is idoor to us, we dont realy deferentiate them like you would with majertain/dulbahante/wersengali/abskul etc or with sheikhal/abgal etc, your too clouded as one and too langabs on habar this or habar that ( why always habar horta, where is the father lineage ) you dont see us absames coming down to your sections and discussing thier sultans etc in your areas non stop speacilly when the topic is a great sultan of absame/somalis and stop trying to correct/inform us of our own history, stop trying to impress us or educate us with your lineage, kindly if u would , f***k off out here, i have had enough of idoors talk about their peeps in my uni, we dont want them here if you dont stay out, we might consider putting you on a refuge detention again just like Ugas Nuur did! I have been too nice too you M***e** f***** chat sh*t time and again and have had enough of your insult, from now on its

I thought this Place was called Ogaden for all people who live in the ogaden region not The qabil one, Thats why they said dont post in the somali galbeed section post your stuff here. Ogaden maha qabil wa dhul siiday noo sheegeen dadka qaari
As for the habar lineage Ogaden them selfs have habar cade and habarselebaan and habarti waaq absame 3 habars

[The_Emperior5]

Emperior, but most H.Y regard Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Xirsi Qani as the rightful suldaan and some regard Suldaan Cusmaaan Suldaan Ali madar as the right 1 laakinse legally speaking both have the right to call themselfs suldaan although Suldan Cusmaan Suldan Ali madar is regarded as the reer ainanshe suldaan rather then H.Y , besides the H.Y - Bari have their own sultnate aswell since Sultaan Ducaale Muuse(1890-1955) , Sultaan Cali Suldaan Ducaale (1920-1977), Sultaan Rashid Sultan Cali the present sultan (b.1955) the reason the H.Y - Bari made their own sultnate was because they didn't want to come under the influence and the control of the Xirsi Cismaan in central regions and Burco i know it seems complex Taarikh.

yeah all the sicid garxajis sultans in the east had their own sultans thats for sure But the firs Xirsi qani lineage came in the 1900s eventhough they can both claim Suldaan , but this would not happen if sultan cawad was not killed in Battle and suldaan dolaal Nuur The son of sultaan Nuur axmed amaan the pro dervish sultaan who was also killed in Battle. Labbada suldaan ma jiireen . Laakin way dhacday marka wa caadi.