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The_Patriot wrote:funny they are comparing Ethiopia to Kenya
They also are making us want to believe Ethiopia is better than Sudan which is bullshit.
they comparing ethiopia, a country where were the ruling 'junta' gets '97%' of the votes to kenya.
and some people have the gall to use this article to give credibility to their tribal banana state:
Yeah that shit is insane. I think the opposition, if I remember correctly, got something like one seat in the Ethiopian parliament. On another note, Isaaq propaganda seems to be working.[/quote]
It ain't propaganda when it's factual.
malakumod wrote:
The_Patriot wrote:funny they are comparing Ethiopia to Kenya
They also are making uwant to believe Ethiopia is better than Sudan which is bullshit.
they comparing ethiopia, a country where were the ruling 'junta' gets '97%' of the votes to kenya.
and some people have the gall to use this article to give credibility to their tribal banana state:
Go and choke on your envy and cuqdad.[/quote]
it is funny what how people throw around meaningless comments.
how exactly im envious of of 'somaliland'? bal try explaining that to me genius!
Siciid85 wrote:It's not only about the fact that he stole the election , there was a violence where nearly a thousand died and hundreds displaced, churches burned, property damaged, etc, that is nothing compared to what happened in the USA.
People have you read the whole of article, if you had (barring not being delusional) you'd not have been so blinded to see the point that Siciid85 has made.
Moreover, elections are often a poor guide to a country’s overall state of democracy and civil liberties. The mere number of elections can be deceptive. Our accompanying map of Africa shows how countries rank in terms of democracy, initially measured in 2008 on a broad range of criteria by the Economist Intelligence Unit, a sister organisation of The Economist, but updated to include more recent data from a variety of sources. The number of coming elections is cause for hope. But the advance of African democracy remains patchy. Too often the big men still find a way to stay put, whatever the voters may want.
I believe Somaliland's democratic credentials will be bolstered very soon when the security committe's that sentence citizens without a trial is eliminated by the new adminstration. Also, the harrasment of the media will have to be stopped. The state organs will need to be more transparent. It appears pretty much Kulmiye's party platform once implemented will make Somaliland one of the most democratic nations. This "flawed democracy" label is due to the delay of elections and the poor human rights record of the UDUB party. The future is bright, Inshallah Somaliland will continue to be an example for the rest of Africa.
I think there is correlation between Full Democracy (Ghana, Botswana, Namibia and South Africa) and economic growth (incl. GDP/FDI and business environment etc)
F#ck democracy on their terms,what about the F.I.S election victory in Algeria
Or the Hamaz victory in Palestine why ain't that praised
And if Democracy is so great why isn't it acknowledged when the members of the UN vote unanimously against the actions of Isreal.
seemeyer wrote:F#ck democracy on their terms,what about the F.I.S election victory in Algeria
Or the Hamaz victory in Palestine why ain't that praised
And if Democracy is so great why isn't it acknowledged when the members of the UN vote unanimously against the actions of Isreal.
Exactly, democracy isn't an achievement, it's gaalo putting a collar around you neck and saying "well done, have a doggy biscuit". Since when has democracy worked anywhere except the west and japan? India maybe a "democratic" nation but has a lot of ministerial corruption and caste discrimination. China isn't what you would call a democracy. In order for a country to have economic growth, it needs a stable environment where the leaders are unquestionable and have total authority. Otherwise you'll have coups every wednesday and protest/riots every weekend.
seemeyer wrote:F#ck democracy on their terms,what about the F.I.S election victory in Algeria
Or the Hamaz victory in Palestine why ain't that praised
And if Democracy is so great why isn't it acknowledged when the members of the UN vote unanimously against the actions of Isreal.
Exactly, democracy isn't an achievement, it's gaalo putting a collar around you neck and saying "well done, have a doggy biscuit". Since when has democracy worked anywhere except the west and japan? India maybe a "democratic" nation but has a lot of ministerial corruption and caste discrimination. China isn't what you would call a democracy. In order for a country to have economic growth, it needs a stable environment where the leaders are unquestionable and have total authority. Otherwise you'll have coups every wednesday and protest/riots every weekend.
Democracy is only acceptable where Americas candidate is electable.
*Nobleman* wrote:
Democracy is only acceptable where Americas candidate is electable.
Even then, they don't follow their "principles". Fatah (American backed) lost and Hamas (not American backed) won. They still don't recognise Hamas' victory in the elections and call them a "terrorist organistion". Even when muslims play by their "rules" they are screwed over. So don't play by their rules, Allah is greater than all of these hypocrites. Play by Allahs rules and you won't lose.
*Nobleman* wrote:
Democracy is only acceptable where Americas candidate is electable.
Even then, they don't follow their "principles". Fatah (American backed) lost and Hamas (not American backed) won. They still don't recognise Hamas' victory in the elections and call them a "terrorist organistion". Even when muslims play by their "rules" they are screwed over. So don't play by their rules, Allah is greater than all of these hypocrites. Play by Allahs rules and you won't lose.
Yeah your point proves the quote. Democracy is not acceptable in palestine because Americas candidate (fatah) were not elected.
You say democracy is not a good thing and that economic development can only come under a planned strong central government who is authoritative. Further you mention even if a country was to be democratic it will only be subservient to the west. In addition, regardless of whether a country is "democratic" or not the west only promotes the candidates/parties that are acceptable to them. Lastly, you say we "should stick to our principles".
Now I'm scratching my head. What is sticking to our principles? Last I knew democracy is compatible with Islam. It is in our principle to have a Shura. It is in our principles, to elect a leader based on the popular wish of the citizens. One such case is when Uthman and Ali were both candidates for the Caliphah and neither would concede. It was up to committee led by ibn Cawf to go through the land to ask the people and it was decided Uthman would be the leader. Now, before you balk at democracy, all it means is the people decide their laws and who they elect. Somaliland is 99.99% Muslim. In their constitution it says no laws shall be passed that are incongruent with Islam. In all respects, it is an Islamic country, because the laws of inheritance, divorce, business are Islamic based. We have yet a ways to go to perfect this, because having prisons for instance is wrong. Also, hudud laws are not yet applied. Nevertheless, that is something that can be corrected with time. There is nothing wrong with having elections to choose your leaders.
The alternative is chaos, all we need to look at for examples is Somalia. The surest way to maintain stability is democracy. Authoritarian methods will only breed violence, just like what has happened in Somalia. Further, china's economic ascent is due to it embracing the FREE MARKET. Right next door you have India the world’s largest democracy and home to the largest middle class in the world.
The only thing I agree with, is one should not be a client state for any western power. This however has nothing to do with democracy. Most Arab countries are dictatorship or monarchies and they are subservient to the west. It is with democracy that people like Hamas can come to power and get rid of the shackles of corrupt officials like Fatah.
Shura.my brother Salah Al-Din is when people of knowledge choose a leader from amongst themselves "Wa ululal amaral minkum" those that have authority over you in knowledge.
Not when every Tom,ceeb and Abdi vote.
Seemeyer that is still democractic, not to mention the example I gave where every tom ceeb and harry's point of view was consulted with. The shurah took into account what the people wanted. You might want to look it up.
Here is further reading regarding democracy & Islam :
Seemeyer that is still democractic, not to mention the example I gave where every tom ceeb and harry's point of view was consulted with. The shurah took into account what the people wanted. You might want to look it up.
Here is further reading regarding democracy & Islam :
Islam Online group is the worst group to use as areference. They are located in Egypt and low blow all Muslim revolutionaries. Its backers are well known to stamp out for every corrupt, ant-Muslim leader in the Muslim world. People whose handlers sit in Chattam House should not be used as a reference. Brother Salah I suggest you to use good and genuine Islamic sources.
