Somalinimo: a system of morality

[Cirwaaq]

We have spent a lot of threads explaining that somalinimo has many meanings and each somali has a different value attached to it.

For some somalis somalinimo = unity

reason not all citizens of somali republic are somali by blood.

I hope that helps?

[ToughGong]

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[Cirwaaq]

is prefer the long teeth the being a charcoal SSC

[ToughGong]

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Waar nimanyaho laba nin oo Muslim ah baad tihine miyaadheshiisaan ood is Cafisaan
I'm saying this as your brother in Islam.

[marcassmith]

One should read the constitution that was adapted for the Somali Republic in 1960. That is a living document and divines all of these that Somali self haters are trying to destroy. It is one thing that one wants to divide Somalia, it is another that one is trying is camouflage that division with instilling that self hate within the Somali society.

Udun, its these exact sentiment which you utter that are responsibly for lack of Somalinimo, simply because its represents narrow and rigid form of Somalinimo. The 1960 Somali constitution was cut and paste from many African countries constitutions and indeed transplanted and incorporated many of the colonial system, more specifically the Italian colonial laws, whist neglecting Somaliland's colonial legacy. 1960s Somalia and what exist today are two different things. The constitution was drafted and implemented, albeit rushed within the same year Somalia gained its independence. No feasibility test, consultations or consideration were given to its stakeholders and the people it was supposed to govern. Certainly, this was not exceptional to the then Somalia. Nonetheless the constitution as a document of governance was an ambitious idea, much of it was never implemented, after the Siyad Barre gained power.

The 1960 Somali constitution cannot be applied today and even if Somalia was united today with a functioning government, its uses will be very limited. This is not a reference point of Somalinimo.

[malakumod]

i dont know what the debate is here but whatever it is, it is nothing more than pure bullshit from bunch of dimwits trying to be academic scholars.
firstly somalinimo is not a social constructed term nor is it a moral system. it is an ethnicity defined by birth and in all essence somalinimo is characterised by race. somalinimo is something that is based on race, common ancestry, common language, common religion, shared history and a common destiny. somalinimo = a nation ( somalis are the ultimate definition of what it means to be a nation). somalinimo is is determined from birth and anybody who denies his somalinimo is no different to a man who who claims his a woman trapped in a woman's body. and most of your comments here are as valid as this claim

[udun]

is prefer the long teeth the being a charcoal SSC

When one is weak in arguments and low self steam, the next thing is to insult whole regions. That is how Jahuuds use the anti-semitism card when they are cornered. This w-tch is no different. She was in a debate and suddenly clan bashing starts. Ok I gave up w-tch. Continue with your rants.

[2ndtoNone]

Somalinimo was born in iniquity and conceived in sin, and it's spirit has never ceased to bend people's institutions to the service of dissension and distress.

In our discusion on Somalinimo we must distinguish, between nationalism and patriotism.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first, nationalism, however is when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Somalinimo draws its essence from a variety of different sources - language, cultural values and norms, religion and sense of identity etc. I wouldn't go as far as saying its non-existence or for that matter a 'sin'. Its a value system which means different things to different people. Attempting to encapsulate the concept of Somalinimo into a single and tangible form is impossible. Much like the 'living law' - values and norms which are used as customary traditions used to dictate a particular lifestyles or norms. Similarly its not regulated by one authorities or one state, therefore somalinimo has no clear definition. Its a plural concept. The idea of Somalinimo must be considered within individual or communal context.

Also, nationalism and patriotism have failed in a Somali context because of the lack of meaning or rather the multiply meanings ascribed to the notion of Somalinimo.

As I understand it Somalinimo draws its essence from a nationalistic policies by centralized autocratic national regime. These nationalistic policies include exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance for nationalistic goals, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of any and all opposition to the state. Nationalism always precedes fascism and is the essential component of fascism Somalinimo mutated to Barre's fascism. Somalinimo was defined as an attitude or beliefs characterized by exalting one's own nation above all others at the expense of all others nations, regardless of whether the actions of a state are just or not. The invation of Ethiopia by the Barre regime and his policy of bringing all Somali inhabited lands in east Africa under his power is an example, policy that bancrupted the country. This socio-political environment causes the individual to derive their self-worth from the actions of the state as a whole and/or from what the individual can contribute to the perpetuation of state. This socio-political environment i.e. Somalinimo also encourages the generation of the worst form of humanity, the authoritarian personality as the current situation if Somalia proves, just take a look at the crop of idiot rullers of today of ours - the children of Somalinimo and what they've done and are doing to the country . This type of personality favors a blind submission to authority as opposed to the individual freedom to examine their actions before acting them out. The authoritarian personality is extremely hostile to those who question the policies of those who are in power. In short, the primary concern of the individual in Somalinimo of any kind is the well being of the state, not an individual's well being or the well being of family and friends. What good is it If the State is not caring and not catering for the well being of its citizens? Inevitably eventually the citizens will rise up and chaos and turmoil will be the only outcome.

Does this remind you of some situation in the Horn of Africa.? The destruction of the Somalia and the displacements of million of its citizens was direct and indirect as a result of Somalinimo and the former regime pursuit of it at any cost.

The only Somali unity that I'm in favor of is an economic, trade, exchange of knowledge and information unity and united policy on freedom of movement of people and goods between Somali States.

[Hyperactive]

every single topic labadan nin ba is daba ordaya.
somalinet iyaga loga goori, labadooda mkid omba rer ka o so hari!!

[Cirwaaq]

Causality - The only Constant in the universe

Action --- Reaction

Udun targets all my threads and post and when i can ignore the goon other times i don't.

I think he should be banned!

[Hyperactive]

lol@reaction. you should rise above that!!!
i would hate to react what others do or so, any ways people not same , i guess!

if between you, you should be banned, wah Allah wahas shegeyso laba garan mahayo .lol

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Somalis were never patriots or nationalists. This system was forced against our throats. We.were always clannish people. On that ground each clan should build their own country and not allow any enemy clan to live with them. Somaliland proofs that this is possible!

[marcassmith]

Somalinimo was born in iniquity and conceived in sin, and it's spirit has never ceased to bend people's institutions to the service of dissension and distress.

In our discusion on Somalinimo we must distinguish, between nationalism and patriotism.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first, nationalism, however is when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Somalinimo draws its essence from a variety of different sources - language, cultural values and norms, religion and sense of identity etc. I wouldn't go as far as saying its non-existence or for that matter a 'sin'. Its a value system which means different things to different people. Attempting to encapsulate the concept of Somalinimo into a single and tangible form is impossible. Much like the 'living law' - values and norms which are used as customary traditions used to dictate a particular lifestyles or norms. Similarly its not regulated by one authorities or one state, therefore somalinimo has no clear definition. Its a plural concept. The idea of Somalinimo must be considered within individual or communal context.

Also, nationalism and patriotism have failed in a Somali context because of the lack of meaning or rather the multiply meanings ascribed to the notion of Somalinimo.

As I understand it Somalinimo draws its essence from a nationalistic policies by centralized autocratic national regime. These nationalistic policies include exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance for nationalistic goals, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of any and all opposition to the state. Nationalism always precedes fascism and is the essential component of fascism Somalinimo mutated to Barre's fascism. Somalinimo was defined as an attitude or beliefs characterized by exalting one's own nation above all others at the expense of all others nations, regardless of whether the actions of a state are just or not. The invation of Ethiopia by the Barre regime and his policy of bringing all Somali inhabited lands in east Africa under his power is an example, policy that bancrupted the country. This socio-political environment causes the individual to derive their self-worth from the actions of the state as a whole and/or from what the individual can contribute to the perpetuation of state. This socio-political environment i.e. Somalinimo also encourages the generation of the worst form of humanity, the authoritarian personality as the current situation if Somalia proves, just take a look at the crop of idiot rullers of today of ours - the children of Somalinimo and what they've done and are doing to the country . This type of personality favors a blind submission to authority as opposed to the individual freedom to examine their actions before acting them out. The authoritarian personality is extremely hostile to those who question the policies of those who are in power. In short, the primary concern of the individual in Somalinimo of any kind is the well being of the state, not an individual's well being or the well being of family and friends. What good is it If the State is not caring and not catering for the well being of its citizens? Inevitably eventually the citizens will rise up and chaos and turmoil will be the only outcome.

Does this remind you of some situation in the Horn of Africa.? The destruction of the Somalia and the displacements of million of its citizens was direct and indirect as a result of Somalinimo and the former regime pursuit of it at any cost.

The only Somali unity that I'm in favor of is an economic, trade, exchange of knowledge and information unity and united policy on freedom of movement of people and goods between Somali States.

There appears to be a lot of emphasis and over-reliance of the role of the State in your analysis, most of which is no doubt, induced by your state-centric and positivistic approach (law has to be written to be law by the sovereign mentality). But as Somalis, thanks to our self-regulating and republican ways, the role of the State and national leader has always played a secondary place in our society. We draw our sources of Somalinimo beyond that of the political sphere including Islam and other customary tradition, social and cultural norms and of course the tribal system.

The idea of Somalia as a political construct, much like the nation-state paradigm is a recent phenomenon. This was an idea which was transplanted in the Somali Peninsula without consideration to the norms and customs that existed before it.

It seems like your analysis has not taken into consideration anything that existed in the Somali peninsula before 1960, which was when the nation-state paradigm gained prominence, albeit, with varied results. As such, you are implicitly saying that Somalis had no sense of somalinimo before 1960.

[GeoDesic]

Paradigm Quake

He is right only in some aspects and you ululate for him because you are part of the somali problem based on your political comments. Clan fiefdoms and bantustans passing as viable mini states at the expense of Somalia the great as we knew it is really nothing more or other than the same clan ills that destroyed Somalia and somalis to begin with.

[SummerRain]

Paradigm Quake

He is right only in some aspects and you ululate for him because you are part of the somali problem based on your political comments. Clan fiefdoms and bantustans passing as viable mini states at the expense of Somalia the great as we knew it is really nothing more or other than the same clan ills that destroyed Somalia and somalis to begin with.

Well said.