Ramadan,Madhabs, Islam

[1-Londoner]

Thanks Perfect O. Was always wondering about when you should stop eating before Fajr comes in.

About following one madhab...I dont at the moment even thought I was told it is better for you to do so, otherwise you'll end up taking only the answers that suits you. Mostly what I do is when im curious about an issue, I end up asking someone more knowledgeable than me concerning the deen, usually the wadaad family members lol. Problem with that is you would ask one person, then another would disagree and they'll end up clashing on what the answer actually is. I dunno if thats just my family....

[SultanOrder]

Snoop can you bring dalil that it is our responsibility to remind them they are suppose to be fasting. The reasoning behind from what I understood is that all Muslims know it is Ramadan and that fasting is prescribed for them, now if they simply forgot as you know Allah does not hold it against them so Allah considers it sadaqa from himself to his believer, why would you want to get in the way of Allah's sadaqa to Muslim? How do you know Allah doesn't want them to remember because he wants to feed them, and once they remember it is their duty to stop eating and continue their fast, but lets say they are eating on purpose what will your reminder do for them but make them eat not in front of you.

Anyways its your choice to follow, I don't see the point of bringing dalil for every little thing, I heard this from a knowledgeable person whom i know personally, and the Imam of my local masjid whom I know personally was present to confirm it.

The two adhans is for ramadan bro, the first to let the muslims know that suhur is almost finish so hurry up eating, and the second is the one where the salat has actually come in and you can't eat anymore, and then after 5mins or so is the iqama salat.

Some pray 8 rakca's for tarawiix but mostly people pray 20 rakca's, alhamdulilah tarawiix is a sunnah salat so it shouldn't really be a major contention, follow which every you want. Personally when I pray at my local masjid it is 20 and when i pray at the somali centers it is 8 except the sufi masjid which is 20.

1-londoner no problem. yeah same way I understood madhabs too, but what I also learned that it is better to generally follow one madhab or else you will get confused or pick and choose or mix up where your not suppose too. But you can also take a valid position from another madhab if it will make things easier for you on a particular issue, because this deen is not suppose to be made difficult for you. But the best advice is to ask a shaykh that has traditional credentials with an isnad to authentic scholars. I take as my shaykh Habib Umar bin Hafiz a descendent from the prophet and among the highest if not highest of the ulema in shafici fiqh. My Imam has a direct link to him and consults him often.

btw my family is split between so called sufis and so called iqwaans, guess which camp I fall in

[snoop12]

in Islam, we cant accept things without evidence, that is why i asked because i kind of already knew it was not Xaram to forget, but i always took it as it was Shaydaan that made you forget, like Salaat when you forget. you see how we are completely different in this ? so i ask because i want to understand where you got that from.
bro, i dont push people to fast by constantly telling them what to do, but it is my responsibility to atleast remind those who i care about and who i know, about fasting just like i do with salaat.

[SultanOrder]

snoop Honestly, even if I wanted to give you dalil I wouldn't know how to go about it. I'm not trained in such things, and I don't want to act like I know something I don't know. It's just sunnah of the rasul scw that he wouldn't say anything if he saw people eating because he would give them the benefit of the doubt, from what I've been told, you don't have to take it because I can understand that it's hard to trust someone over the internet, and you weren't where I was nor do you know who I got it from.

Again this is what I'm going to follow, you can take my word for it alhamdulilah and may allah forgive you if I was wrong, or you can go about it the way you think is right alhamdulilah. I don't think its a major issue, in the end allahu calam.

May we benefit in the month of ramadan, because the rasul said the one who misses the goodness of ramadan has missed all goodness. jzk

[BlackVelvet]

Again this is what I'm going to follow, you can take my word for it alhamdulilah and may allah forgive you if I was wrong, or you can go about it the way you think is right alhamdulilah. I don't think its a major issue, in the end allahu calam.
May we benefit in the month of ramadan, because the rasul said the one who misses the goodness of ramadan has missed all goodness. jzk

Feels like being in the Islamic society all over again

[SultanOrder]

Again this is what I'm going to follow, you can take my word for it alhamdulilah and may allah forgive you if I was wrong, or you can go about it the way you think is right alhamdulilah. I don't think its a major issue, in the end allahu calam.
May we benefit in the month of ramadan, because the rasul said the one who misses the goodness of ramadan has missed all goodness. jzk

Feels like being in the Islamic society all over again

What are you on about

[snoop12]

asking for Daliil is not "arguing", how could you possibly accuse me of this when it is the opposite of arguing ?, in Islam there should be no arguing about the Diin that is why Daliil plays a huge role. just like Maths, the working out part is essential.
dude i suggest you learn your diin before telling these girls stuff you dont even understand yourself.
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i knw the Fake-shiekh season was approuching, laakin waxaaba arkey lafaha hore lol, some people just have no game whatsoever to choose the path of becoming temporarly religous for the purpose of shukansi. i dont think one need to misuse the Diin to get with Black velvet, she is pretty much good to go.

"I don't see the point of bringing dalil for every little thing" this is a sign of a fake shiekh

[SultanOrder]

bro I was just joking, I was planning to edit it out before you got on but illeen your reer uk and you beat me to the punch

bv maxaa igu diraysa bro wa walashay, iga qaleey

anyways like I said I'm only repeating stuff I heard from the program I went to, accompanied by my local imaam, so I didn't say anything I wasn't sure about (except the sex thing I forget what was was the third thing you had to do if you couldn't do the two other ones.), besides like I said I don't know how to bring dalil, or even how to authenticate it.

I get it snoop you don't trust me and what I'm saying alright, no big deal it's not like I'm offended. But answer me this what if I brought the opinion of a sheikh from a few centries ago and his proofs, how would you go about judging it to be authentic or not, do you know the views of major sheikhs, are you going to independently varify it by looking at the sunnah books and books of scholars?

You say bring me daliil but who am I to bring you daliil, I have never studied the sciences of Islam nor do I have training in distinguishing what is a major held opinion or what is a divergent opinion, and if you brought me a hadith I know I couldn't say there are stronger hadiths that go against this one.

[BlackVelvet]

PO good luck dude, from experience I can tell you some people have a lockjaw and just wont let go even when there is no point to be made

Snoop let it go bruv. Was it asking about your A-level results that has got you so annoyed maad iiga jawaabin when I asked you. Weren't you in college a couple of years ago? The only time we across paths these days is when you're either arguing with me or insulting me, I am genuinely curious. They say curiosity killed the cat lakin I can't help myself, speak your mind I find you amusing

[snoop12]

ninyahow qofka diinta u laab daloolo, qalad iyo sax wuu kala fahmayaa, adiga laakin wiil iska haad haadiyo baa ila egtahayee baxar ha is galin, ninka kaa aqoon badan oo aamin ah ku tiirso.

Black velvet, Afsoomaali waa iska margi. i dont have a vendetta or interest in you, but you may continue to delude yourself it is your democratic right.

[SultanOrder]

Again this is what I'm going to follow, you can take my word for it alhamdulilah and may allah forgive you if I was wrong, or you can go about it the way you think is right alhamdulilah. I don't think its a major issue, in the end allahu calam.
May we benefit in the month of ramadan, because the rasul said the one who misses the goodness of ramadan has missed all goodness. jzk

Feels like being in the Islamic society all over again

What are you on about

Where you implying Ramadan Relgious syndrome?

I actually happen to be a propenent and see it at as a good thing that people become suddenly religious (prefer God-conscious) right before and on ramadan. I believe it is a proof of the inherent barakah of ramadan, so stop being so critical people.

[SultanOrder]

ninyahow qofka diinta u laab daloolo, qalad iyo sax wuu kala fahmayaa, adiga laakin wiil iska haad haadiyo baa ila egtahayee baxar ha is galin, ninka kaa aqoon badan oo aamin ah ku tiirso.

Black velvet, Afsoomaali waa iska margi. i dont have a vendetta or interest in you, but you may continue to delude yourself it is your democratic right.

abowe thats what I've been saying, I heard this from reliable source thats why I am sharing with you guys. Waan ogahay inaanan qof cilmi iyo wax barashao aheen, sidaas awgeed waxaan ku leeyahay hadii aad shakii ku leedahay waxaan ku gudbinayo ha qaadin, iqtiyaarkada baan leedahay.

My only intention was to share some beneficial knowledge for the upcoming ramadan, and I strongly recomend that everyone take a similar class, or even meet with a sheikh privately to go over the fundamentals of fasting.

[BlackVelvet]

Oh come on Snoop are you being serious right now?

i knw the Fake-shiekh season was approuching, laakin waxaaba arkey lafaha hore lol, some people just have no game whatsoever to choose the path of becoming temporarly religous for the purpose of shukansi. i dont think one need to misuse the Diin to get with Black velvet, she is pretty much good to go.

"I don't see the point of bringing dalil for every little thing" this is a sign of a fake shiekh

I don't like to quote people lakin you give one no choice but to spell it out for you. Haye I didn't even address you and you speak of me, am I being big headed

Sorry lakin I picture you as a 17 yr old so I can't take you seriously Anyway the point is, the next time you get the urge to say something about me think really hard about why then tell me before you forget. Ramadan Kareem

[grandpakhalif]

Some of the sisters (either by their own choice or forced by their husbands) are cooking ALL day and ALL night, so that by the end of the day, they are too tired to even pray Ishaa, let alone pray Taraweeh or Tahajjud or even read Quraan. This is the month of mercy and forgiveness. So turn off that stove and turn on your Imaan!

PerfectOrder,

The intention is an action of the heart. We should resolve in our heart that we are going to fast tomorrow. That is all we need. It is not prescribed by the Shari'ah for us to say out loud, 'I intend to fast', 'I will fast tomorrow' or other phrases that have been innovated by some people. Also, there is no specific dua to be recited at the time of starting the fast in the correct Sunnah. Whatever 'dua' you may see on some papers or Ramadaan calendars, etc. is a Bid'ah

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Asalaamu alikum warahamtullah wabarakatuhu, very soon it will be ramadan, so Ramadan Kareem!

Lovely topic maashaAllah, but seriously PO, why the heck did you bring the madhab up? Case in point ^^^, it brings lots of disunity and arguments.

The intention is an action of the heart. We should resolve in our heart that we are going to fast tomorrow. That is all we need. It is not prescribed by the Shari'ah for us to say out loud, 'I intend to fast', 'I will fast tomorrow' or other phrases that have been innovated by some people.

According to the Shafi'i madhaab, you must say intentions by heart and out loud! My father has always said it like that, 'nawaytul salli, fardal salatul Dhur, arbaca rak'at'! And when he does the Wudu, he would not wipe his whole head, just the front portion upto the back or mid-way. Again, this is supported by the Shafi'i fiqh.

Bismillahi Rahmaani Rahiim


Another important thing I learned was that in the shafici madhab you have to make intention for everyday you fast, or else your fast invalid, but in the maliki you can make one intention in the beginning of ramadan for the whole of ramadan and it will be valid. So, what he advised us to do was make one in the beginning following that hakam and make the intention to use that hakam, as well as making an intention everyday since its beneficial.

What I really liked and feel benefited me in particular was that according to maliki madhab the xaaqo doesn't break your fast. Now I don't swallow it but for some reason when I'm fasting it always becomes an issue for me, and I keep thinking my fast is broken because of it which always put me in turmoil. Now he advised me that I should use this ruiling since it is a legitemate ruling, and make the intention to follow it. Insha'allah may allah make ramadan easy for us and may we benefit from it.

The most beneficial thing I learned is that it is ok to use ruilings from other madhabs, just not pick choose parts of it but to follow the guidelines pertaining to that particular aspect. For example if you are going to follow that your wife doesn't break your wudu like the hanafis then you have to make your wudu like the hanafis. This opened my eyes since I was always a staunch supporter of just following one madhab for everything. Alhamdulilah allah has blessed this deen with being vast and the ruilings to be vast so as to encompass everyone that is the strength of our deen, and the vitality of it because we are not a monolithic deen.

I didn't know that, subahanAllah for fogetful individuals that is a hard, but alhamdulilah, people ARE allowed to follow rulings from other madhabs. The only problem occurs when people make a joke out of it, because you can almost never break you Wudu with picking and choosing.