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nomadicwarlord wrote:Somalia is an African State that is also part of the African Union. It is necessary for AU to lead the mediation process wherever there is a conflict in the continent. AU is the only body that answered the call. The international community preferred peacekeepers in Somalia to come from predominantly Muslim countries and guess what, No Arab country stepped up to help their so called brother in need. Arab League is a defunct organization. At least Al-Qaeda answered the call and regards Somalia a "High Priority" for all the wrong reasons though.

The suggestion of the Qatari King when asked to help end the Somali conflict was, " let the government enter peace talks with Al Shabab." Somalia can do away with these disingenuous and back-stabbing "friends and brothers."

We are African, how can we be 'africanised'? The biggest threat to Somalia is 'Saudisation', whether in the West( through mosques ) or in Somalia.This is what I'm worried about.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:We are African, how can we be 'africanised'? The biggest threat to Somalia is 'Saudisation', whether in the West( through mosques ) or in Somalia.This is what I'm worried about.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:We are African, how can we be 'africanised'? The biggest threat to Somalia is 'Saudisation', whether in the West( through mosques ) or in Somalia.This is what I'm worried about.

Thanks for speaking the truth

eyes-only wrote:

Murax wrote:It seems since 2007 with the Ethiopians and now AMISOM there has been a great effort to "Africanize" Somalia, and eliminate any links, ties between Somalia and its Muslim Neighbors across the seas. Personally I think this is a very dangerous phenomenon. Yes We are Africans, but Africa is the biggest continent on Earth. We are Muslims, and do not practice the Christianity/indigenous belief/voodo of our Ethiopian, Kenyan, Ugandan neighbors. I really fear for the Somali identity as people being lost in the common years, due to our fragmentation compounded with the geo political war for influence taking place over Somalia (Africans Vs Arabs)

Does that even make any sense? Does being Muslim compromise or reduce in anyway your African heritage or does being African limit your Muslim identity? There are probably more African Muslims than Arab Muslims. How can AMISOM or any other organisation for that matter eliminate Somalia's links with other countries? Links will always exist as long as there are mutual benefits to be enjoyed.

I think it would have made more sense if you had just said being a war torn country for over a decade is affecting our ties with our old allies or will affect the future shape of our diplomatic relations with our neighbours or anyone else for that matter since we won't be able to be on a level footing with them for a long time. But in any case, I don't think you can 'Africanize' an African since by definition one is already an African.

The fuzzy thing is, there are more Arabs in Africa than in Arabia and plenty of them identify as Africans too


BTW, why haven't the Africans come to Somalia's aid before the past couple years? No one, not the Africans, the Arabs or the West gives two rats hairs about Somalia. This is all abou t obtaining $$$ for doing these so called peace keepeing missions. There is no political strategy with all of the military pledges, most of the Somali people in and out of Somalia oppose Shabab but we don't got a unified strategy to combat them.

To all. Obviously putting Africanization in quotations was in pointing out the absurdity of the claim. Secondly, one has to be extremely naive and gullible to think any of the parties involved in the Somali conflict are genuine, and infact gain from their participation in it. As for My original premise, I do not believe in Somalia's Statehood being restored in the vision of external parties i.e Arab League, African Union, etc. but through grassroots Somali initiatives. I'm against all sorts of foreign intervention, no matter how genuine and romanticized their motives are made out to be. Now why did I single out "Africanization" for lack of a better word over "Arabization"? Very simple, because Arabization does not exist in Somalia. Why would I deplore "Arabization" when as of the moment there are no Arabs in Somalia while there are thousands of Africans? Fact of the matter is that Arabs as of the moment are sitting on trillions of dollars for one, and are not in need of anything Somalia could offer even if they could offer anything. Secondly the Arab world with the exception of Egypt, is completely demilitarized and would not even be able to entertain the notion of interfering militarily in Somalia. Even if they wanted to help Somalia, there has not been one Gov worthy of handling donar funds they can give money to. So Arabs do not help or hurt Somalis, so there is no reason for me to feel passionate about them one way or another. As for the African Union, through Ethiopia, and now through AMISOM We have seen them enter and become nothing but factions in the Somali conflict. What is the reason? First, just like with Ethiopia when they were in Somalia, they are receiving significant aid incentives for being in Somalia. Secondly, they are there due to America's vision for Somalia which is always devoid of logic. They are basically doing the bidding in Somalia to please their aid donars and stay in their graces while at the same time making a quick buck. I'm not sure where You Guys got this fuzzy idea about This Country is here in Somalia to help because of their love of the Somali people, bullshit. As of the moment Gen Gabre, who was deplored by many human right advocacy groups while in Somalia is now back again as "AMISOM". Non-Critical thinkers please do not respond. I have looked at the map and know very well "Somalia is in Africa". Bring, some food for thought into the thread, or find some sort of activity to do

FAH1223 wrote:

eyes-only wrote:

Murax wrote:It seems since 2007 with the Ethiopians and now AMISOM there has been a great effort to "Africanize" Somalia, and eliminate any links, ties between Somalia and its Muslim Neighbors across the seas. Personally I think this is a very dangerous phenomenon. Yes We are Africans, but Africa is the biggest continent on Earth. We are Muslims, and do not practice the Christianity/indigenous belief/voodo of our Ethiopian, Kenyan, Ugandan neighbors. I really fear for the Somali identity as people being lost in the common years, due to our fragmentation compounded with the geo political war for influence taking place over Somalia (Africans Vs Arabs)

Does that even make any sense? Does being Muslim compromise or reduce in anyway your African heritage or does being African limit your Muslim identity? There are probably more African Muslims than Arab Muslims. How can AMISOM or any other organisation for that matter eliminate Somalia's links with other countries? Links will always exist as long as there are mutual benefits to be enjoyed.

I think it would have made more sense if you had just said being a war torn country for over a decade is affecting our ties with our old allies or will affect the future shape of our diplomatic relations with our neighbours or anyone else for that matter since we won't be able to be on a level footing with them for a long time. But in any case, I don't think you can 'Africanize' an African since by definition one is already an African.

The fuzzy thing is, there are more Arabs in Africa than in Arabia and plenty of them identify as Africans too


BTW, why haven't the Africans come to Somalia's aid before the past couple years? No one, not the Africans, the Arabs or the West gives two rats hairs about Somalia. This is all abou t obtaining $$$ for doing these so called peace keepeing missions. There is no political strategy with all of the military pledges, most of the Somali people in and out of Somalia oppose Shabab but we don't got a unified strategy to combat them.

Now ain't that the truth

who are you people?

I mean seriously I have never met Somalis this stupid in real life. Does the internet just attract the truly ignorant?

What a load of pure none sense.

Of course, AU has an agenda and the Ugandans in Somalia have their own reasons of defending Somalia from the religious thugs that threaten to eradicate our culture and way of life. This is a stupid question to ask. It is in the interest of these countries to ensure Somalia doesn't fall into the hands of the religious radicals. Terrorism is not a local issue and it is in the best interest of everyone to contain and eradicate it. Al Qaida is not a local or regional organization, this is a mafia band that has visions of ruling the entire world. AU and AMISOM are not just doing the Somali people a favor by defending our land from the terrorists, they are also directly keeping their countries safe by defeating this nihilistic thugs before they have any chance to threaten and project their powers beyond Somali border. If you listen to Al Shabab, the first thing you should know is that their wars are not limited to Somalia.

And then this sadistic FAH1223 has the decency to follow Murux's weak and biased reasoning to ask a naive question.

Nothing wrong with Africanising Somalia,you should worry when they start Christianising it

Twisted_Logic wrote:What a load of pure none sense.

Of course, AU has an agenda and the Ugandans in Somalia have their own reasons of defending Somalia from the religious thugs that threaten to eradicate our culture and way of life. This is a stupid question to ask. It is in the interest of these countries to ensure Somalia doesn't fall into the hands of the religious radicals. Terrorism is not a local issue and it is in the best interest of everyone to contain and eradicate it. Al Qaida is not a local or regional organization, this is a mafia band that has visions of ruling the entire world. AU and AMISOM are not just doing the Somali people a favor by defending our land from the terrorists, they are also directly keeping their countries safe by defeating this nihilistic thugs before they have any chance to threaten and project their powers beyond Somali border. If you listen to Al Shabab, the first thing you should know is that their wars are not limited to Somalia.

And then this sadistic FAH1223 has the decency to follow Murux's weak and biased reasoning to ask a naive question.

What a simpleton You are. Your whole peanut sized brain orbits upon who You should support that is in line with Your clansman paper President out of clannism. You will support any and everything that falls within that warped criteria. I will await for responses with the more reasonable, emotionaly stable members.


Ps Simpleton; If that Arab dude did say Shareef should negotiate with Shabab then He is right on the money. When You are in a position of weakness You are in no place to pick and choose who You will or will not negotiate with. Conflict Resolution 101.

eyes-only wrote:

Murax wrote:It seems since 2007 with the Ethiopians and now AMISOM there has been a great effort to "Africanize" Somalia, and eliminate any links, ties between Somalia and its Muslim Neighbors across the seas. Personally I think this is a very dangerous phenomenon. Yes We are Africans, but Africa is the biggest continent on Earth. We are Muslims, and do not practice the Christianity/indigenous belief/voodo of our Ethiopian, Kenyan, Ugandan neighbors. I really fear for the Somali identity as people being lost in the common years, due to our fragmentation compounded with the geo political war for influence taking place over Somalia (Africans Vs Arabs)

Does that even make any sense? Does being Muslim compromise or reduce in anyway your African heritage or does being African limit your Muslim identity? There are probably more African Muslims than Arab Muslims. How can AMISOM or any other organisation for that matter eliminate Somalia's links with other countries? Links will always exist as long as there are mutual benefits to be enjoyed.

I think it would have made more sense if you had just said being a war torn country for over a decade is affecting our ties with our old allies or will affect the future shape of our diplomatic relations with our neighbours or anyone else for that matter since we won't be able to be on a level footing with them for a long time. But in any case, I don't think you can 'Africanize' an African since by definition one is already an African.

Africa was the name of a Roman province on the Mediterranean coast (Maghreb). It doesn't even have any indigenous root or meaning. It's just the recognized name of a large mass of land. Let's not turn it into something that triggers passion, emotions or what not.

Twisted_Logic wrote:

nomadicwarlord wrote:Somalia is an African State that is also part of the African Union. It is necessary for AU to lead the mediation process wherever there is a conflict in the continent. AU is the only body that answered the call. The international community preferred peacekeepers in Somalia to come from predominantly Muslim countries and guess what, No Arab country stepped up to help their so called brother in need. Arab League is a defunct organization. At least Al-Qaeda answered the call and regards Somalia a "High Priority" for all the wrong reasons though.

The suggestion of the Qatari King when asked to help end the Somali conflict was, " let the government enter peace talks with Al Shabab." Somalia can do away with these disingenuous and back-stabbing "friends and brothers."

Even a Middle School student has the capacity to advise the TFG about peace talks, let alone a Qatari King. The Member States of the Arab League have the ability to push for real peace talks and implement measures that can strengthen the weak institutions that have been plagued by incompetency and corruption. They don't have to send a peacekeeper in MOG. Al-Shabaab is not fighting for a Somali cause but a foreign one. If it wasn't for groups on a war path, AMISOM would have never fired a single shot in the capital. Failed principles from Tora Bora caves have no place in Somalia. Peace, Security, Stability and Al-Shabaab should never be mentioned in the same sentence after this one

^^

There has not been one admin in any of the last 14 "transitional" Governments that deserved any aid or doner money. Yes I do agree that even if there was, the Arab World wouldn't give a penny, but the fact remains that every "President" that has come along in the past 20 years was not interested in Statehood and installing a Gov but rather had Warlord/Mafioso ambitions and propping up such bozos would actually cause 100x more harm than good. Now there could have been money donated to charities for schools, clinics, etc. that wasn't given so I'd much rather use criteria such as that than "Why didn't they support TFG institutions"