WHEN DID SOMALIS CHANGED FROM AHLUU BAYT TO SUNNI??

[SahanGalbeed]

Worshiping the prophet's family will not grant you heaven.

[grandpakhalif]

Wahabism exported from Arab traders caused Somalis to change their aqeedah. This is a recent phenomenom.

[IRONm@N]

I didn't know there was a religion called Ahlul-Beyt. I know there is a Quran and hadith left behind by the prophet, but what is the need to worship his descendants, even though most of them dead in young age, and didn't had much influence in Islam, aside from Ali, Aisha and Faduma.

[AbuDujanah]

I didn't know there was a religion called Ahlul-Beyt. I know there is a Quran and hadith left behind by the prophet, but what is the need to worship his descendants, even though most of them dead in young age, and didn't had much influence in Islam, aside from Ali, Aisha and Faduma.

I think that you fundamentally have the wrong concept of the Zaydi 'aqeedah. They actually do not call for the worship of the Prophet's (SAW) descendants but mere respect.

[James Dahl]

I would guess that the change probably occurred during the 16th century. The alliance with the Ottoman Empire and later the overlordship of the Ottomans over Adal probably led to Somalis adopting a more orthodox form of Islam in the north. This would make sense, Somalis in this era were under siege from Christian powers like Portugal and Abyssinia, and their view was one of Muslim vs Christian not Sunni vs Shi'a, so adopting a more orthodox form of Islam to solidify an alliance with the Ottomans wouldn't be a hard sell.

There isn't really any evidence of Shi'ism in the south historically, at least as far as I am aware.

[AbuDujanah]

I would guess that the change probably occurred during the 16th century. The alliance with the Ottoman Empire and later the overlordship of the Ottomans over Adal probably led to Somalis adopting a more orthodox form of Islam in the north. This would make sense, Somalis in this era were under siege from Christian powers like Portugal and Abyssinia, and their view was one of Muslim vs Christian not Sunni vs Shi'a, so adopting a more orthodox form of Islam to solidify an alliance with the Ottomans wouldn't be a hard sell.

There isn't really any evidence of Shi'ism in the south historically, at least as far as I am aware.

Yes but in the Awdal Region, the vast majority of the people used to be Shi'i Zaydi. So this would mean that the inhabitants there today are descendants of Shi'is and all of a sudden something changed in the socio-political climate.

[djibsomali]

I would guess that the change probably occurred during the 16th century. The alliance with the Ottoman Empire and later the overlordship of the Ottomans over Adal probably led to Somalis adopting a more orthodox form of Islam in the north. This would make sense, Somalis in this era were under siege from Christian powers like Portugal and Abyssinia, and their view was one of Muslim vs Christian not Sunni vs Shi'a, so adopting a more orthodox form of Islam to solidify an alliance with the Ottomans wouldn't be a hard sell.

There isn't really any evidence of Shi'ism in the south historically, at least as far as I am aware.

did you miss the part ibn batuta said about makdashu??
makdashu = mogadisho.

and of course it is a 2 month walk between djibouti to mogadisho
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Their country is a desert of two months' extent; the first part is termed Zayla, the last Makdashu. The greatest number of the inhabitants, however, are of the Rafizah sect.

[James Dahl]

I would guess that the change probably occurred during the 16th century. The alliance with the Ottoman Empire and later the overlordship of the Ottomans over Adal probably led to Somalis adopting a more orthodox form of Islam in the north. This would make sense, Somalis in this era were under siege from Christian powers like Portugal and Abyssinia, and their view was one of Muslim vs Christian not Sunni vs Shi'a, so adopting a more orthodox form of Islam to solidify an alliance with the Ottomans wouldn't be a hard sell.

There isn't really any evidence of Shi'ism in the south historically, at least as far as I am aware.

Yes but in the Awdal Region, the vast majority of the people used to be Shi'i Zaydi. So this would mean that the inhabitants there today are descendants of Shi'is and all of a sudden something changed in the socio-political climate.

Zeila was the administrative capital of the Ottoman Empire in the region after the Adal Empire collapsed in the mid 1500s, and part of any administration is importing Qadis and whatnot to administer according to Ottoman law, which was Shafi'i Shariah if I recall correctly. If the local Somalis did not resist this practice or send students to different schools than the Ottoman schools, than inevitably in a few generations all the Qadis and Imams will be taught in Ottoman institutions, and the local religious practices will die out.

The people of Adal did not resist the Ottomans implanting their law and therefore their brand of Islam, indeed they requested Ottoman administration and defense after the collapse of Adal.

[Shirib]

Wahabism exported from Arab traders caused Somalis to change their aqeedah. This is a recent phenomenom.

What's wahabism, what is their aqeedah?

[James Dahl]

I would guess that the change probably occurred during the 16th century. The alliance with the Ottoman Empire and later the overlordship of the Ottomans over Adal probably led to Somalis adopting a more orthodox form of Islam in the north. This would make sense, Somalis in this era were under siege from Christian powers like Portugal and Abyssinia, and their view was one of Muslim vs Christian not Sunni vs Shi'a, so adopting a more orthodox form of Islam to solidify an alliance with the Ottomans wouldn't be a hard sell.

There isn't really any evidence of Shi'ism in the south historically, at least as far as I am aware.

did you miss the part ibn batuta said about makdashu??
makdashu = mogadisho.

and of course it is a 2 month walk between djibouti to mogadisho
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Their country is a desert of two months' extent; the first part is termed Zayla, the last Makdashu. The greatest number of the inhabitants, however, are of the Rafizah sect.

I suppose so, but the south hasn't really been under any outside pressures to adopt orthodox Islam, the last Islamic overlord they had, Zanzibar, were Ibadi Muslims, but we don't see many traces of Ibadi Islam in southern Somalia and Zanzibar's rule was extremely indirect. It could be that orthodox religious reformers, trained in Ottoman academies, started reform efforts in the 1600s, but that's just speculation.

[Executive]

Worshiping the prophet's family will not grant you heaven.

[djibsomali]

good speculation and an intelligent guessing james dahl

[grandpakhalif]

Wahabism exported from Arab traders caused Somalis to change their aqeedah. This is a recent phenomenom.

What's wahabism, what is their aqeedah?

Today, Wahhabism is the dominant Islamic tradition on the Arabian peninsula, though its influence is minor in the rest of the Middle East. Because Osama bin Laden comes from Saudi Arabia and is Wahhabi himself, Wahhabi extremism and radical ideas of purity have obviously influenced him considerably. Adherents of Wahhabi Islam do not regard it as simply one school of thought out of many; rather it is the only path of true Islam — nothing else counts.

[The_Emperior5]

No one should be called wahabi, wahaab is one of the names of our lord

[Executive]

Wahabism exported from Arab traders caused Somalis to change their aqeedah. This is a recent phenomenom.

What's wahabism, what is their aqeedah?

Today, Wahhabism is the dominant Islamic tradition on the Arabian peninsula, though its influence is minor in the rest of the Middle East. Because Osama bin Laden comes from Saudi Arabia and is Wahhabi himself, Wahhabi extremism and radical ideas of purity have obviously influenced him considerably. Adherents of Wahhabi Islam do not regard it as simply one school of thought out of many; rather it is the only path of true Islam — nothing else counts.

I don't think you got his question. He asked What is the Aqeeda of the "Wahabis"? , Stop beating around the bushes and answer the question.