Ethiopia: Divided more than ever

[EEGA9]

OLF may not be popular but they can be a vehicle for you to achieve your goal.

What you have to understand is the key to unlocking the Somali madness and putting it to sleep is the liberation of the Ogaden. the change from this Political event will re-shape the Horn.Why do you think Somalia is so rotten today because the Ogaden has been the single factor that drove them over the edge.The Wars took a heavy toll on the Goverment which then went into meltdown.

If Ethiopia falls, There will be no strong Ethiopia.They dont have the resources or the capability to have any bearing on the state ever again, The Somali people have never needed Ethiopia beyond Dire Dawa.We dont trade with them, we dont share anything beyond a border so what can they do to harm us when its they who need us for our resources and Ports.A vassal state again your being irrational how can a liberated state burning with patriotism return to there once upon a time oppressor, Somaliland and Puntland act the way they do because Somalia is a failed state and Ethiopia is taking advantage.A Liberated Ogaden will lead to renewed Somali spirit and a strong central Somali state in Mogadisu.Ethiopia will be a page in history nothing else.A change like that in Ethiopia will lead to a whole new ball-game in the Horn and those highlanders will be living off many more Live-Aids.

Ethiopia with another regime change will be balkanized and all peoples of Ethiopia will have options to choose where they want there future interests to be.

[bareento]

Do you understand Somali, listen ONLF&OLF agreement.

Very nice analyses
R ogadeniis the sanest Somalis?

B.

[bareento]

Egga,

In your opinion the Ogadenis success depends on Ethio destruction.

U r in no shape of destroying ethiopia, or taking advantage of its destruction.
U said u dont need Ethio, but Ethio needs u.
Indeed u r correct, at the same time thats wat makes ethio more dangerous.

B.

[EEGA9]

We may not carve up Ethiopia but we have the Ogaden in the direction we want it.The rest will be done by other Ethiopians themselves.

As I said Ethiopia was always a mirage and now its more open than ever.The fall-out from a potential Ethiopian collapse will have great effects on the peoples of Ethiopia, keep this "Ethiopia" out of your mind.It only exist in the minds of a minority of Tigrays and Amhara supremacists, It doesnt exist.It will be interesting to see If the Amharas will trick other peoples into accepting a new Ethiopia after Meles, Im sure we Somalis have decided to give them the finger already.

[bareento]

It is surprising that somali nationalist still do not grasp wat ethiopia is.
U boast being in war with this entity for the last 5 century;
and yet u say it will desintegrate just because it suits u.

Its funny to see somalis doing the same mistakes they did in the 60s, 70s etc.
learn from your history and the history of ypur enemy.

Anyway I wish oll the best for your people...I know first hand how they suffer
and I know also how gallantly they r claiming their rights

B.

[EEGA9]

hmmm interesting debate going on. I sadly have to agree with what Eega has to say about Oromos. Everything he said is right

Bareento doesn't think Independence is feasible so he would rather stick with the status quo which gives no benefit for people like the Oromo.I think Meles is fragile and If the Oromos can get there act together you will have no problem dislodging him.You will have many more General Kamals deserting the army to join rank because remember the Ethiopian Military without Oromo is nothing.

There is great potential for a free Oromo state.

[EEGA9]

B.

I dont know where your coming from but Ethiopia has changed dramatically over the decades and theres no stopping the disintegration of Ethiopia even Meles has planned for it.

[Oxidant]

EEGA9 has risen an extremely good point.

Many Tigray acknowledge that after TPLF, another ethnicity will rule. Amhara have ruled for a very long time. Most Oromos that I know always say after TPLF, it is their turn to rule.

Will Amhara accept Oromo rule?

[Teeri]

Do you understand Somali, listen ONLF&OLF agreement.

Very nice analyses
R ogadeniis the sanest Somalis?

B.

Focus on the way my neighbour, Abdirahman Mahdy says ''this is our land'' with pure passion, i learn from this man every month. mashallah.

[bareento]

Do you understand Somali, listen ONLF&OLF agreement.

Very nice analyses
R ogadeniis the sanest Somalis?

B.

Focus on the way my neighbour, Abdirahman Mahdy says ''this is our land'' with pure passion, i learn from this man every month. mashallah.

Its indeed a big shift, is he big fish in ONLF?
I once read the interview of the Admiral. Who is the leader the Admiral or this guy?
I sensed the same shift in OLFites discourse.

Egga, where do ogadeens live in ogadeenia?
do they live somalia? and kenia?

R u all nomads or some of u practice farming?

B.

[Hyperactive]

bareento, ogadens are like kurdis of Horn Africa, you can find in somalia, kenya.
dont quote me but majority are in ogaden and kenya. i dont think there's much in somalia.

[EEGA9]

No Bareento ONLF dont have internal divisions and when there is a problem those who are wrong are put up against the stated laws of the organisation and judged on this basis where a decision is made based on there actions through this internal court process.Thats why the ONLF does not have factions.The ones that roam around claiming an ONLF faction at the moment are not actual ONLF although a few figures were once but they have been booted out in accordance to the laws and regulations of the Front.Thats why the population and the armed forces are loyal to only one ONLF and thats the ONLF that is represented by Admiral Maxamed Cumar Cisman and his parliament.My support for the ONLF stems from this confidence I have in there ability to serve as one body and with one policy framework.

Abdiraxman Maadey is foriegn minister of the ONLF and also a founding member he serves in his capacity, He is Loyal to the Front and his people.

Ogadens live primarily in 7 of the 9 regions in the Somali region currently controlled by Ethiopia
They live in the the Somali NFD region of Kenya where they live in 3 of the 4 Districts.
In Somalia they live primarily in Jubbada Hoose region, Jubbada dhexe region and parts of Bakool.

Are there more Ogadenis in Somalia or NFD...probably Somalia.

Yes Ogadenis farm everywhere they inhabit thats possible for farming but for the most part they are nomads statistically speaking.

[bareento]

Thank u Egga,

It seems u have seasoned leaders
I confess to my great shame I know nthg about Ogadenis and ogadenia except some regions adjacent to Oromolands.

One little question I have is how Ogadenia was made part of Ethiopia.
If I am right there were no war of conquest...were u tricked to join Ethiopia?
Is is true that u are officially part of ethio only since in the 40s-50s?

Do u know books /sites covering these topics.

B.

[Teeri]

Thank u Egga,

It seems u have seasoned leaders
I confess to my great shame I know nthg about Ogadenis and ogadenia except some regions adjacent to Oromolands.

One little question I have is how Ogadenia was made part of Ethiopia.
If I am right there were no war of conquest...were u tricked to join Ethiopia?
Is is true that u are officially part of ethio only since in the 40s-50s?

Do u know books /sites covering these topics.

B.

Loooooooool, humans are funny. so u think we were ''tricked''?. how we became part of ethiopia is a very long story
, looks like someone needs a good hsitry lesson, dony have enough space to go into it but i will try to give u the short framework.

we ogadens, or absames have a long hsitory of animosity with the habashis. for centuries the ogadens have been the backbone of very somali tribe, defending them from habashi aggression, we are the only people that shares borders with every somali clan/tribe from djabouti to the dagodiya in kenya and have always been independt till the the europeans came and dividded us up and arnmed our habashi enemies to the teeth ever since.

many centuries ago, we Daroods ( Ogaden is a clan of the tribe darood) lived in todays northen somalia, we expanded and moved away from our cousins in the north and settled into the west side of somalia, thanks to Allah, we were blessed with numbers and defended ours selfs from habashi aggression, we regulalry karbashed them, we expanded not just west but into southern somalia and todays kenya. to keep a long story short, the muslim world declined around the end of the 19th century as u probably know, the muslim world is divided, israel is given to the jews, the arabs encouraged to rebell againts the Ottoman protectors etc etc, the europeans were interested in carving up east africa, in particular the british and italians eyed up todays somalia,

the ogadens just happened to be fighting the british in every corner of somali lands whether it was somalias northern regions, kenya and todays ogadeniya, infact it was the british and the europeans on the Berlin conference that named the region ''ogadeniya'' not us, this is becaseu the were clan that they heared the name most, every time they asked who was fighting them was ogadens, it was them OGs whether lead y the Sayed or our sultans. The sayed kept the british busy and infact succrssfully kicked out british interests in todays northen somalia till his death, we were the first to be attacked with airplanes outside of the european theatres of war. abdirahman mursal kept the europeans busy in jubbaland between 1909-22, other Ogs kept the british busy in war in kenya all the way till the border of nairobi and the british in todays ogadeniya were also kept busy. The absames and dhulbahantes were the only ones that refused to sign ''protectorate'' treaties with the europeans and as a consequence were heavily punished severley, the dhulbahantes and ogadens lost practiculy half their population in fighting the british and italians whilst other clans sided with the europeans.

needless to say, once we were defeated, somalia was completely surrounded by the europeans by 1936 musalini neters the region with brute force and starts offficial colonisation, the british went on to divide up all ogaden lands between three states ( somalia, kenya and ethiopia) in the late 1940s, the british put ogadeniya under ''adminstration'' being prepared for ''independence'', but alas to say, the UN and the british decided to hand over by 1958 to ehtiopia, to haile salasei, keep in mind this is the same british governenmt that supplied the habashies with weapons and military training during her fight with the Italians and the Ogadens respectively had an extreme hate for the ogadens. is it any wonder the british once remarked ''the most formidable foe we ever faced in africa is the Ogadenian''

so if anyone tells u that we ''asked them to hand us over'' is not just a lier but doesnt know what the ogadens have done for them and distorts history. ps: why would we ask the british to hand us over to an enemy we have fought and defeated for centuries, it was purely one christian state supporting another christian state. the british have no love for muslims, after all it was them who demanded from the turks to apolish the khalifat in 1924.

ps: ogaden weren't alone on fighting thr colonialist, we had our other Absames on our side. you could argue, the problems somalis are facing today is that created by the european colonialist, its still affecting us wheter in ogadeniya or moqdishu. hope that helps.

[bareento]

Teeri, thank u for this vast explaining.

If i may ask one more question, during the time of the Sayid, ogaenia was part of ethiopia or british empire?

My clan resisted against amharas at Chalanqo and lost and as consequence we became ethio, its that simple
yours is more complicated , you fight the british and end up ethio.

B.

PS the "tricked" or even "chose" to become ethiopian version was based on information i got from on an epic debate two somali
gentlemen had on an oromo forum some years back.