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Re: State Department: A Dual-Track Approach Somaliland & Som

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Do you think even the smallest desk officer of the lowest branch of any department in government is concerned with the primitive movements in a faraway poverty stricken desert land. The US hasn't even considered whether to "recognize" or not because you don't matter. U.S doesn't see Somalia's regions..what Somalia's regions are to us.
You do have a point there, considering that the US is the most powerfull and influential state, i doubt the higher ups would even blink for Somaliland, laakinse the department has divisions and there is a Horn african one in which most devote most of their time in that respective region, Somaliland is viewed as extremely important in the geopolitical and political sense and the level of development of the state alone would equal it to having a strong standing towards anything that happens in the horn, considering its the only region in Somalia which you could say is problem free, recently had elections and democratic which Americans heavily admired.
The main reason why recognition has not been applied yet is because the political implications and the different powers such as the Arab league and African Union which have strong standing in the issue and in keeping it non recognized and continue with their influence to shape the paradigm.
This is a huge step forwared, in my opinion Somaliland has been receiving a whole lot more attention lately, and i would not be suprised if the America shifts its interests there.
Finally when push comes to shove when there is a fully function government in Mogadishu, the reality will unfortunately have to be gobbled up by the Somali people and that is how it will take in the unfortunate reality of the desire to seccede. A referendum will be have to be considered.
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Re: State Department: A Dual-Track Approach Somaliland & Som

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Voltage, can we get pictures of the Ethiopian prime minister in Somalia, preferably jowhar? Besides, i don't find Ethiopian high officials visiting 'Somalia' with extreme security and probably un anounced something to consider an accomplishment, let alone finding it worth to mention. But hey, some find personal satisfaction in this while other take satisfaction in visiting theirselfs :lol:
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Caligaab is digging himself a cute little grave and I'm going to watch. I don't think Voltage can throw him in the pit so I will be on standby. :mrgreen:
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Voltage wrote:I live in America. Do you think even the smallest desk officer of the lowest branch of any department in government is concerned with the primitive movements in a faraway poverty stricken desert land. The US hasn't even considered whether to "recognize" or not because you don't matter. U.S doesn't see Somalia's regions..what Somalia's regions are to us, Africa's states are to the U.S. You are just another village in one small region of the greater picture. You can meet the Queen one day, Netanyahu the next...cry, yell, celebrate, stick your ass out but at the end of the day it only matters what comes from Washington and Washington has already decided on Somalia and spread to the world, there will be one capital in that part of the world and her name is Mogadishu. It has been 20 years now and even when Somalia was most hopeless you didn't get any traction anywhere. If a state can recognize out of it's own national security, such as keeping allies in Nile war with Egypt, or her own desire to dismember Somalia and break up the Somali state Ethiopia would have done but even Ethiopia has had it's president visit Baydhabo, has had it's president visit Jowhar and twice in Muqdisho along with other visits by its foreign minister just in the last four years. Has your best friend in secession even sent it's highest leadership to visit "peaceful" Hargeisa once?

Wake up and smell the coffee and if you notice why no one debates Somaliland issues anymore on generals or generally among Somalis, it is because the truth is clear to us so go take this stuff to your province section and keep the hype going. :up:
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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:Caligaab is digging himself a cute little grave and I'm going to watch. I don't think Voltage can throw him in the pit so I will be on standby. :mrgreen:
Lol, out of all the days i've seen him acting weird, today was the weirdest.
He has alot of explaining to do regarding comments he said today like this:

Voltage wrote: the reality is Barre is powerful as Siilaanyo
Of which i asked for clarification and he replied with this:
Voltage wrote:Give me the context in which I said that and I am using free wifi in a public space so internet is kind of slow.
:lol: , heck...i even tracked him down in the Gedo section.

Then i asked him the following and his reply went as follow:
Voltage wrote:
Cali_Gaab wrote:If you want peace then why are you cheering on barre hiiraale who up on his return has caused fighting to erupt yet again? Didn't you state that because of al shabaab, your areas are much more peacefull and people can walk around with their mobile phones?
And? The peace is controlled by terrorists who would either arrest me for being a spy or forcefully induct me into their militias not to mention the problems I would face with US immigrations for visiting. Barre Hiiraale to me is Cabdullahi Yusuf, without Abdullahi Yusuf's dictatorship over MJ in the 90's, Puntland would not exist and MJ would not be organized right now. The man shot Sultan Hurre, he disbanded SSDF, he even went to war with Jaamac Cali Jaamac after Puntland was made and Guurti took power from Yusuf and gave it to Jaamac. This guy was ready to bomb Boosaaso if Jaamac Cali Jaamac had not escaped by boat saving the city and then when the Cusman Maxmud united under Cadde Muuse, he went to war against them too. :lol: But Abdullahi Yusuf was doing that to get to Somali power and he was using MJ to get there, while Barre Hiiraale has defended Marehan since 1991 and is too nice with them. If he was dictator within the clan, we might have been united now with a state of our own. But no tribal talk here. :?
And then abdalla asked him this:
abdalla11 wrote:^ :lol: sxb can't you make a point without using MJ?
Like Alpha from the power rangers said;

"AiyaYay", so many questions, such little time :lol:
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Re: State Department: A Dual-Track Approach Somaliland & Som

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Of all the things that Voltage or the Marehan kids say or do, I also cannot help but wonder why they support Barre Hiiraale so much. The guy has literally not done shit for them in the post-civil war era.

I don't know why Voltage thinks old man Hiiraale is the Marehan equivalent of Abdullahi Yusuf. When Barre Hiiraale uses some of his extortion money from Kismayo to build a girl's school in Belet Xaawo I will support Voltage's statement. :lol:
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