Why doesn't Puntland secure Lascanood?

[The_Emperior5]

The dhulos are in a difficult situation.

They are pulled towards Hartism on one side and on the other side towards somaliland..

Ask yourselves why dont they run towards thier harti brothers??

Its becuase Puntland is in reality Majerteeniya, the Majerteen monopolize all power and try to monopolize all economic power as well, and they do not know how to share.
When somaliland administration was away, there was no development, the police and other civil servants did not get payed, there was no law and order and your ngo's could not function very well.

why are they pulled towards somaliland?
It is becuase the political culture of the Isaaq is very different to other clans,
We are anarchic by nature and we have always been against the concentration of power.
even the smallest isaaq sub clans believe they are equal to everyone else and infact behave that way even against another subclans that is 5 times their size.
In our history we have never allowed anyone to get away with siezing too much power.

The closest example of darood like behaviour among isaaq is probably xirsi amaan in the 1840-70's.
He was HY and came to dominate his own clan with a tight grip and then dominated berbera and the ports trade and dominated the HA, then he intituted taxation for the first time on the nomads and traders.
Then he expanded against the ogaden and captured much of the current territory, and even reached all the way to the shebelle for a brief time..

You would expect the isaaq to welcome this and hail him as a hero, but no
his own clan brought him down and all of his acomplishments vanished..

No in Majerteeniya you have the oppposite, there is something like a master clan and client clan and this is somewhat accepted...


The dhulos do not want to be a client clan even under thier own harti brothers,
their best option would be to join thier anarchic nighbours the isaaq where there is equality and where equality is jelously gaurded.

There will never be a master isaaq clan, but always a noisy struggle of equal clans..\


In this enviroment the dhulos and the warsengelis can take advantage of the normal isaaq disunity,
make the right coalitions and then capture the biggest piece of the pie, politically and economically speaking...

Can you honestly say that they can do that in Majerteeniya AKA Puntland AKA Pirateland?

Well said

[D-Runner]

The dhulos are in a difficult situation.

They are pulled towards Hartism on one side and on the other side towards somaliland...

Ask yourselves why dont they run towards thier harti brothers??

And why should they run to their Harti brothers when their more then capable of showing the iidoor the exist door all by themselves. Their is no unity within the Dhulos and that is their only weakness.

Its becuase Puntland is in reality Majerteeniya, the Majerteen monopolize all power and try to monopolize all economic power as well, and they do not know how to share.

When somaliland administration was away, there was no development, the police and other civil servants did not get payed, there was no law and order and your ngo's could not function very well.

Nonsense... each clan in Puntland has always been apportioned to their fair share of seats on a proportional representation. The vice president of Puntland is Dhulos and the head of the parliment is Lelkase... MJ's only happen to be the president because of Dhulos vote in the last election in which Faroole won, the majority of MJ's voted against him.

Speaking of Somaliland... The over-seventy year old president must have his sums hopelessly wrong. How could a fair-minded president, not to mention a veteran politician of his stature, form a government whose make up is almost exclusively from one clan, Isaaq, his own clan? After all, the Isaaq movement (SNM) fought a bloody war against Siyad Barre’s regime to seek justice for their people, or so we thought. Are they not practicing exactly the same thing in their backyard?

President Ahmed Siilaanyo has formed a cabinet consisting of 20 ministers of which 14 are possessed by his kinship, Isaaq, with Gadaboursi awarded the unwanted and left over Ministries of Justice and Law and Agriculture.

why are they pulled towards somaliland?
It is becuase the political culture of the Isaaq is very different to other clans,
We are anarchic by nature and we have always been against the concentration of power.
even the smallest isaaq sub clans believe they are equal to everyone else and infact behave that way even against another subclans that is 5 times their size.
In our history we have never allowed anyone to get away with siezing too much power.

There is nothing tribally unprincipled about the turn-coat politicians and traditional leaders of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn when they join or spurn an administration. It is a struggle for power and influence that pits one group against another. Similar power struggles affected Somaliland ( 1993-1996) when the supporters of first Somaliland president, Abdirahman Ahmed Ali, had tried to undermine the new president, Mohamed Hagi Ibrahim Egal who was appointed a president to succeed Somaliland’ founding president in 1993.

Majerteeniya you have the oppposite, there is something like a master clan and client clan and this is somewhat accepted...

Well everyone is entitle to their opinion... enough said.

[FBISOMALIA]

siilland better in system from puntland ...???

2010 biggist joke ever

to me ithink their state is xabishe

is better to them to join ethopia

[gurey25]

Speaking of Somaliland... The over-seventy year old president must have his sums hopelessly wrong. How could a fair-minded president, not to mention a veteran politician of his stature, form a government whose make up is almost exclusively from one clan, Isaaq, his own clan? After all, the Isaaq movement (SNM) fought a bloody war against Siyad Barre’s regime to seek justice for their people, or so we thought. Are they not practicing exactly the same thing in their backyard?

President Ahmed Siilaanyo has formed a cabinet consisting of 20 ministers of which 14 are possessed by his kinship, Isaaq, with Gadaboursi awarded the unwanted and left over Ministries of Justice and Law and Agriculture.

first of all this is not somalia and we are not the TFG.
We do not play that game.
The TFG has 500+ parlaimentarians and god knows how many ministers.
The minister position is used to please certain clans...

siilanyo said before the election that he wants a cabinet as small as possible, filled with experienced technocrats.
He was not going to appoint ministers just becuase they are of a certain clan.
Siilanyos cabinet is the smallest that somalia has ever had since the days of adan cadde and sharmake.
and there are only 2 ministers from his subclan HJ..

and before you accuse us nepotism , first elect a non-harti first much less a non darood as head of your government, then you can talk.

[RuralMan08]

The dhulos are in a difficult situation.

They are pulled towards Hartism on one side and on the other side towards somaliland..

Ask yourselves why dont they run towards thier harti brothers??

Its becuase Puntland is in reality Majerteeniya, the Majerteen monopolize all power and try to monopolize all economic power as well, and they do not know how to share.
When somaliland administration was away, there was no development, the police and other civil servants did not get payed, there was no law and order and your ngo's could not function very well.

why are they pulled towards somaliland?
It is becuase the political culture of the Isaaq is very different to other clans,
We are anarchic by nature and we have always been against the concentration of power.
even the smallest isaaq sub clans believe they are equal to everyone else and infact behave that way even against another subclans that is 5 times their size.
In our history we have never allowed anyone to get away with siezing too much power.

The closest example of darood like behaviour among isaaq is probably xirsi amaan in the 1840-70's.
He was HY and came to dominate his own clan with a tight grip and then dominated berbera and the ports trade and dominated the HA, then he intituted taxation for the first time on the nomads and traders.
Then he expanded against the ogaden and captured much of the current territory, and even reached all the way to the shebelle for a brief time..

You would expect the isaaq to welcome this and hail him as a hero, but no
his own clan brought him down and all of his acomplishments vanished..

No in Majerteeniya you have the oppposite, there is something like a master clan and client clan and this is somewhat accepted...


The dhulos do not want to be a client clan even under thier own harti brothers,
their best option would be to join thier anarchic nighbours the isaaq where there is equality and where equality is jelously gaurded.

There will never be a master isaaq clan, but always a noisy struggle of equal clans..\


In this enviroment the dhulos and the warsengelis can take advantage of the normal isaaq disunity,
make the right coalitions and then capture the biggest piece of the pie, politically and economically speaking...

Can you honestly say that they can do that in Majerteeniya AKA Puntland AKA Pirateland?

I dont know about MJ but in regards to Isaaq I do believe what you say is somewhat authentic.

[samadoon-waaxid]

its intresting how this topic is bunch of speculation and not a single dhulbahante person responded to it.
Grandpa,if you really want an input on this u should bring it to the sool section awowe

[Goljano Lion]

Why dont you guys retake what is rightfully yours according to Puntland charter? How are you allowing the Somaliland scum to walk free in Puntland territory, I say use those new arms and pull an AY.

Sayid maxamed Abdala xassan ayaa marku arkay fulaynimadooda ayu yidhi
majeerteenka sijoodkooga iyo soo jeedkooga inay Dumar ama rag yihihin lama kala garanayoo, ..........cala kuli xaal naagu ku sheegay ragoodii markaasaad leedahay ordoo lascanood dib u qabsada,
Garaadkii dhulbahante muxuu ugu yeedhay (Binti-land) waar xitaa Garaadada dhulbahantaa u haysaa naaago kuwan aad leedahay dagaalamo

[FBISOMALIA]

Sayid maxamed Abdala xassan ayaa marku arkay fulaynimadooda ayu yidhi
majeerteenka sijoodkooga iyo soo jeedkooga inay Dumar ama rag yihihin lama kala garanayoo, ..........cala kuli xaal naagu ku sheegay ragoodii markaasaad leedahay ordoo lascanood dib u qabsada,
Garaadkii dhulbahante muxuu ugu yeedhay (Binti-land) waar xitaa Garaadada dhulbahantaa u haysaa naaago kuwan aad leedahay dagaalamo

now the idoor knows maxamed xassan impressive

we were fighting with him agains the colonies not like xabish bitches fighting agains somalinmoo